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I-10 closure in California prompts state of emergency
- angmarsbane 3y agoNative Californian, and Angelino here. It took me a minute to realize all the headlines about I-10 meant THE 10 freeway.
- mjevans 3y agoIt's a lot catchier to say I-5 or I-95 than it is I-10... However dropping the classification from a number is equally problematic be it the timezone (E.G. EST / New York) or a freeway. Absent even any other context, MOST Americans would probably at least consider a highway / freeway / other major vehicle route in their head hearing I-(number).
- bobthepanda 3y ago“The X” in New York would most likely be a train, though no highway numbers in New York go quite as low as the trains. Also, you can’t authoritatively say “the X” because of the multistate nature of the metropolitan area, where talking about “Route 17” may refer to either NY 17 or NJ 17.
- mjevans 3y agoSeemingly, not all Americans (assumption) remember that I-# is shorthand for Interstate (route number) within https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System the "Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways" though I can never remember the full title without looking it up either.
- RhysU 3y agoThis is my favorite Californiaism, especially whenever I drive "the 101". In Pennsylvania one drives "30" or "22", never with "the" and seldom even prefixing "route" or "US". Texas just says "35".
- idontwantthis 3y agoAnd in St. Louis they call I-64 “fardy”.
- mohaine 3y agoThey call it Highway forty after Us 40, which was its pre interstate name. Personally never heard it called fardy, other than in jest but we do like to have local ways to pronounce things. Exhibit a: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_French https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_French
- idontwantthis 3y agoI know it’s after US-40 but I like that it’s a local shibboleth like “Missouree” (St. Louis) vs “Missouruh” (rest of Missouri) and BreadCo vs Panera. We used to say the geographic dividers between those two pairs were identical. I had one professor who was an unironic “fardy” speaker. I think it’s not common under 50 anymore. But I also haven’t been in town for a long time.
- miked85 3y agoI don't think it is unique to CA, I've never heard it any other way in other parts of the southwest.
- pengaru 3y agoMakes sense to me, I hear the definite article prefix far more often in SoCal than NorCal/SF Bay. Back in IL nobody did this, at least not when I lived there over a decade ago.
- tatersolid 3y agoIllinois is weird in this regard. In Chicago most of the big freeways have names as well as highway numbers that are used with articles in spoken language far more often, even on the TV news. So it’s “The Kennedy, the Ryan, the Edens, the Ike” instead of say “I-94” or “94”. A notable exception is Lake Shore Drive (US Highway 41) which everyone just calls “Lakeshore” in conversation with no article.
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- cortesoft 3y agoIt was a pallet storage facility that burned.
- zymhan 3y agoYou'd think folks would learn a lesson about storing piles of flammable material under an overpass. I-85 was brought down by plastic tubing/conduit burning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse?useskin=vector#Events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse?...
- larkost 3y agoDo you have more information than is in the news article? So far they are talking about this being a storage yard with a lot of wooden pallets, one that already had some (unspecified) complaints against it. While that does not preclude a homeless/unhoused person being the source of the fire, it does make it a bit unlikely. Absent more information, it seems awfully prejudicial to blame the homeless/unhoused.
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- geoffpado 3y agoI'd guess it's closer to https://www.google.com/maps/@34.025164,-118.2378776,3a,75y,89.96h,75.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgbR-ctu8aRT49BsilzFcsA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@34.025164,-118.2378776,3a,75y,8..., which is actually under the freeway, has a prominent "we buy pallets" painted on one of the freeway columns, and certainly looks like a disaster waiting to happen. It appears to be an actual business though; there's a banner advertising http://serafinsdistribution.com http://serafinsdistribution.com around the corner, which sells shipping supplies and has several photos of a lot of flammable material stored under the freeway.
- lamroger 3y agoPhilly replaced a burnt bridge pretty quickly. Not sure how different the sizes are but hoping for a speedy fix. https://www.businessinsider.com/philadelphia-turns-heads-speedy-i-95-bridge-reconstruction https://www.businessinsider.com/philadelphia-turns-heads-spe...
- johncalvinyoung 3y agoPhiladelphia was just a single span long, albeit two bridges involved, for N/Sbound. I'm not personally familiar with either location, but between Google Maps and the article, this is looking like a full elevated viaduct, and more than a single deck span. On the face of it, looks like a MUCH more complex problem to replace than Philly's.
- ls612 3y agoWhen the 35W bridge over the Mississippi collapsed in 2007 it took a year and change to replace it and they paid a premium to make it happen that fast. I don't recall there being any state of emergency declared in the twin cities though.
- bluGill 3y agoThat was a.more complex river bridge though. And the old design was known to not be useful. Replacing with the same design will be cheaper and faster.
- zymhan 3y agoIt took 43 days in Atlanta for I-85, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse?useskin=vector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse?... Also, in Philly, they filled (philled) in the area under the bridge, which may not be possible for I-10 here.
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoThey rebuilt the highway but instead of making it a bridge/overpass, they just filled in underneath the highway (with glass-aggregate filler) for now. There are longer term plans to turn it back into an overpass.
- jedberg 3y agoWhen the Northridge quake hit in 1994 and took out a section of I-10 (it literally fell and crumbled), they had it rebuilt in 31 days, using the state of emergency bureaucratic "fast pass". I have a feeling this will be reopened by Thanksgiving.
- greenburger 3y agoAnother similar repair occurred in 2007 when a truck fire damaged I-880 and I-580 one was repaired in a week and the other 26 days[0]. [0] https://2013.infrastructurereportcard.org/2009/case-study/macarthur-maze-repairs.html https://2013.infrastructurereportcard.org/2009/case-study/ma...
- jedberg 3y agoYes! I remember that one too. The contractor had it choreographed down to almost the minute so that prep work for a piece would finish minutes before that piece arrived. Needless to say, California takes their freeway repair seriously when it is a critical artery through a major metro.
- riku_iki 3y agogood test to see if system became more corrupt and disfunctional since then.
- whartung 3y agoStory I heard for that job was the city offered a $1M early completion bonus. The contractor that won the bid was confident they would beat the deadline and they underbid everyone by the $1M and got the job. And, yes, they beat the deadline. The city coped rather well with that whole situation. Northridge quake was another testament to all of the work that had been put into earthquake safety and building codes over the years.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoOk - sucks about the closed interstate. But that robot fire fighter in the lead photo - wow that’s awesome!
- kermatt 3y agoSeems like storage of flammable materials under busy freeways is not always a great idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse
- VyseofArcadia 3y agoI was in Atlanta for a job interview the morning after the collapse. Boy if you think traffic is bad there normally...
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- lgleason 3y agoYou would think that after what happened in Atlanta with 85 a few years ago, which was ironically storage owned by the state where a homeless person set some stuff on fire, they would have known better than to allow any storage under a bridge like this, especially private. Just from a national security standpoint, taking out a few bridges like this could cause havoc. They did rush the construction to get it back open but it was crazy for a while. Another great reason to support remote work :).
- trilbyglens 3y agoOr public transportation
- dimmu_bourgeois 3y ago> People are advised to take public transit if traveling in and around downtown Los Angeles I know HN asks that we post thoughtful comments, but the only thing that comes to mind when I read this sentence is "lmfao"
- oneplane 3y agoI don't know the context of why that is funny, but I believe having multiple viable modes of transportation is something densely populated areas should always have. Doing everything car-centric is just bad, plain and simple. If public transit in the mentioned area is badly implemented, then yes, that is funny.
- wwalexander 3y agoThe buses work great. Have you ever taken them?
- scruple 3y agoMy neighbor commutes on public transit from south OC to DTLA 5 days a week and has since they moved in back in 2016. He was driving during the pandemic because the roads were empty. I've never heard him complain about it. He leaves around 10am and gets home around 7pm.
- bryogenic 3y agoExcellent video on the pain points and tradeoffs related to freeway bridge designs and fire safety. Practical Engineering: Why fires destroy bridges Philadelphia I-95 Bridge Collapse Explained https://youtu.be/iKNw1mnA5M0 https://youtu.be/iKNw1mnA5M0
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- prpl 3y agoThere’s some large encampments under bart in East Oakland, in addition to other overpasses, underpasses, and other raised concrete infrastructure. I’m surprised more didn’t happen with the 580 (880?) overpass when there was a big fire near west oakland a few years ago, but they did finally take that as an opportunity to clean some things up. It really is irresponsible to let these things slide
- WirelessGigabit 3y agoLess fuel to burn I would say. Here there were a LOT of pallets, nice and dry.
- radar1310 3y agoHow ridiculous that this even happened. It happened in Atlanta 3 years ago. Don’t we learn from huge mistakes like this anymore? The circumstances are exactly the same. Look it up. It’s really stupid that this was allowed to happen again.