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Slightly OT, but Porsche has recently sold itself to me as a great carmaker when they released a new infotainment system for their 20 years old Cayenne. Compar

Slightly OT, but Porsche has recently sold itself to me as a great carmaker when they released a new infotainment system for their 20 years old Cayenne. Compare it to another Stuttgart carmaker like Mercedes Benz...where half of the stuff released doesn't work anymore few years later, it's a night and day difference.

jacquesm 3y ago
Interesting! Wonder what it cost. The amount of non-standard wiring that goes into those is insane, two connectors with an absolute mass of wiring tied into just about every part of the car. I've installed an aftermarket unit in a vehicle like that and it was quite the adventure in undocumented interfaces land. All is well that ends well though.
- piperswe 3y ago
  Looks like it's about $1,500: https://porsche.oempartsonline.com/oem-parts/porsche-porsche-classic-communication-95564259000?c=az0x https://porsche.oempartsonline.com/oem-parts/porsche-porsche...
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Considering it is Porsche that is surprisingly affordable.
  - selcuka 3y ago
    More info: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_AU/2023/products/porsche-classic-communication-management-plus-for-retrofitting-30977.html https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_AU/2023/products/porsche-cla... > A corresponding product range is now available, with immediate effect, for the sixth-generation 911 generation 997 for model years 2005 to 2008, the early Boxster and Cayman generation 987 for model years 2005 to 2008 and the first-generation Cayenne for model years 2003 to 2008.
piperswe 3y ago
Porsche cares quite a lot about heritage. They have a reputation for treating all Porsches, no matter their age, the same. I'm a pretty big fan, though I don't own one of their cars quite yet. Some day!
TacticalCoder 3y ago
> Slightly OT, but Porsche has recently sold itself to me as a great carmaker when they released a new infotainment system for their 20 years old Cayenne. They take their older cars very seriously. AFAICT Porsche is the only manufacturer in the world to offer an extended manufacturer warranty extensible until 15 years or 125 000 miles (200 000 km). And it's the mileage at which you last subscribed that counts: so if you renew the warranty at 124 000 miles / 199 000 km, you're still good to go a full year (I know: I asked at two different dealerships). You have to pay for it, but it's a bumper to bumper warranty covering just about everything that could go wrong. I buy used Porsche that I first made sure qualify for that extended warranty and then I renew that warranty. I've got a MY2013 Panamera since five years, it's now 10 years old and has 100 000 miles (160 000 km), and I just renewed the extended manufacturer warranty for another two years. I pay a bit less than 100 EUR / month for that warranty and in exchange any warning lights (besides the car being low on fuel) that'd show up is not my problem anymore but the nearest official Porsche dealership's problem. I got super unlucky and had the gearbox fail: this happens extremely rarely but my Panamera was from a bad batch. I had the extended manufacturer warranty so I dropped the car at a dealership, got another Porsche from them for 5 days, then got my Panamera back with a new gearbox. Besides that a faulty sensor here or there, wipers motor failing and a few other stupid things like that over the course of 5 years / 100 000 km: all taken into account by the extended manufacturer warranty. I'd say the car went about six times under warranty over the course of six years (for tiny stuff besides the gearbox). I'll go soon for the button to open the trunk on one of my two remote key fob ain't working anymore: I'll get a new key. Recently --and I honestly don't know if I should laugh or cry-- a friend of mine had a Peugeot 208 he bought new badly fail after 27 months and the dealership told him the warranty was two years only and that there was nothing they could do to fix the car. I verified online and it's true: in Belgium on a brand new Peugeot you get only two years of warranty. I mean: I bring my, what, 120 months old Porsche, bought used, under warranty and any issue is fixed for free (well I pay the warranty) while my friend brought its 27 months old Peugeot and they gave him the finger! 120 months vs 27 months. It's both sad and funny. A 15 years extended manufacturer warranty is just insane. Next car is another used Porsche, also with that extended Porsche warranty. P.S: a simple "mod" on mine, which runs the QNX OS for its infotainment system, is to replace the HDD (!) by a SSD and then the system "boots" faster (like quicker access to nav and songs when starting the car) but... Although I could do it, I don't for... That'd void my extended manufacturer warranty!
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nunez 3y ago
Wow. That is extremely impressive.
lvh 3y ago
My daily driver is a 1986 911 Turbo (aka the 930). That's a nearly 40 year old car, they make a similar new infotainment system that works for even older cars. Thing runs like a dream, and they tried very hard to make it "fit" in the old interior even though it clearly had completely different design constraints.

jacquesm 3y ago

Interesting! Wonder what it cost. The amount of non-standard wiring that goes into those is insane, two connectors with an absolute mass of wiring tied into just about every part of the car. I've installed an aftermarket unit in a vehicle like that and it was quite the adventure in undocumented interfaces land. All is well that ends well though.

piperswe 3y ago
Looks like it's about $1,500: https://porsche.oempartsonline.com/oem-parts/porsche-porsche-classic-communication-95564259000?c=az0x https://porsche.oempartsonline.com/oem-parts/porsche-porsche...
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Considering it is Porsche that is surprisingly affordable.
- selcuka 3y ago
  More info: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_AU/2023/products/porsche-classic-communication-management-plus-for-retrofitting-30977.html https://newsroom.porsche.com/en_AU/2023/products/porsche-cla... > A corresponding product range is now available, with immediate effect, for the sixth-generation 911 generation 997 for model years 2005 to 2008, the early Boxster and Cayman generation 987 for model years 2005 to 2008 and the first-generation Cayenne for model years 2003 to 2008.

piperswe 3y ago

Porsche cares quite a lot about heritage. They have a reputation for treating all Porsches, no matter their age, the same. I'm a pretty big fan, though I don't own one of their cars quite yet. Some day!

TacticalCoder 3y ago

> Slightly OT, but Porsche has recently sold itself to me as a great carmaker when they released a new infotainment system for their 20 years old Cayenne. They take their older cars very seriously. AFAICT Porsche is the only manufacturer in the world to offer an extended manufacturer warranty extensible until 15 years or 125 000 miles (200 000 km). And it's the mileage at which you last subscribed that counts: so if you renew the warranty at 124 000 miles / 199 000 km, you're still good to go a full year (I know: I asked at two different dealerships). You have to pay for it, but it's a bumper to bumper warranty covering just about everything that could go wrong. I buy used Porsche that I first made sure qualify for that extended warranty and then I renew that warranty. I've got a MY2013 Panamera since five years, it's now 10 years old and has 100 000 miles (160 000 km), and I just renewed the extended manufacturer warranty for another two years. I pay a bit less than 100 EUR / month for that warranty and in exchange any warning lights (besides the car being low on fuel) that'd show up is not my problem anymore but the nearest official Porsche dealership's problem. I got super unlucky and had the gearbox fail: this happens extremely rarely but my Panamera was from a bad batch. I had the extended manufacturer warranty so I dropped the car at a dealership, got another Porsche from them for 5 days, then got my Panamera back with a new gearbox. Besides that a faulty sensor here or there, wipers motor failing and a few other stupid things like that over the course of 5 years / 100 000 km: all taken into account by the extended manufacturer warranty. I'd say the car went about six times under warranty over the course of six years (for tiny stuff besides the gearbox). I'll go soon for the button to open the trunk on one of my two remote key fob ain't working anymore: I'll get a new key. Recently --and I honestly don't know if I should laugh or cry-- a friend of mine had a Peugeot 208 he bought new badly fail after 27 months and the dealership told him the warranty was two years only and that there was nothing they could do to fix the car. I verified online and it's true: in Belgium on a brand new Peugeot you get only two years of warranty. I mean: I bring my, what, 120 months old Porsche, bought used, under warranty and any issue is fixed for free (well I pay the warranty) while my friend brought its 27 months old Peugeot and they gave him the finger! 120 months vs 27 months. It's both sad and funny. A 15 years extended manufacturer warranty is just insane. Next car is another used Porsche, also with that extended Porsche warranty. P.S: a simple "mod" on mine, which runs the QNX OS for its infotainment system, is to replace the HDD (!) by a SSD and then the system "boots" faster (like quicker access to nav and songs when starting the car) but... Although I could do it, I don't for... That'd void my extended manufacturer warranty!

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nunez 3y ago

Wow. That is extremely impressive.

lvh 3y ago

My daily driver is a 1986 911 Turbo (aka the 930). That's a nearly 40 year old car, they make a similar new infotainment system that works for even older cars. Thing runs like a dream, and they tried very hard to make it "fit" in the old interior even though it clearly had completely different design constraints.