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I think you can make that same argument for many large companies that contribute to OSS though.

by AaronM 3y ago

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Contributing to OSS is one thing. Open sourcing your existing closed source internal SW is another and is hugely risky legally as that could have many faults and bugs that could get them sued if discovered. Toyota had the unintended acceleration lawsuit during which an external audit discovered several bugs and deficiencies with their SW, testing, and dev process. Knowing this, why would any car manufacturer air their dirty laundry in public for the sake of OSS? Their lawyers would definitely advise them to never OSS anything internal out of the kindness of their hearts as that could backfire spectacularly.
- Kim_Bruning 3y ago
  Hiding safety flaws? That doesn't sound like a very healthy safety culture. This sounds like a good reason to have a little government regulation to align incentives with safety interests.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >Hiding safety flaws? That doesn't sound like a very healthy safety culture. Welcome to the real world of corporate profit making. You must be new here.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      Just the diesel scandal alone... (different badge, same manufacturer, and Porsche with their Cayenne diesel models was definitely affected).
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    It'll never happen because regulators don't get involved except on the most abstract level (say: a recall with a proposed fix).
- bri3d 3y ago
  I strongly doubt this is the main reason. I think it's simpler and just like most hardware: there's no perception that open source adds value, and re-negotiating IP agreements with hundreds of sub-vendors would be unreasonably expensive in and of itself even if the vendors were amenable to open source. We see the same thing in plenty of non-safety critical hardware areas: board support packages, device drivers, graphics stacks, and so on. There's no perception that open source adds value in the hardware industry at large.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    The real shocker would be how incredibly crappy it all is. But yes, licensing is a huge part of the problem. But that also happens to help the manufacturers who really wouldn't want to open this stuff up to scrutiny anyway. If only because there might be a significant number of findings about accidents that turned out to have been caused by a malfunctioning vehicle after all when right now these are attributed to the driver.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  This probably strikes a lot closer to the real story.

I think you can make that same argument for many large companies that contribute to OSS though.

by AaronM 3y ago

I think you can make that same argument for many large companies that contribute to OSS though.

Contributing to OSS is one thing. Open sourcing your existing closed source internal SW is another and is hugely risky legally as that could have many faults and bugs that could get them sued if discovered. Toyota had the unintended acceleration lawsuit during which an external audit discovered several bugs and deficiencies with their SW, testing, and dev process. Knowing this, why would any car manufacturer air their dirty laundry in public for the sake of OSS? Their lawyers would definitely advise them to never OSS anything internal out of the kindness of their hearts as that could backfire spectacularly.

Kim_Bruning 3y ago
Hiding safety flaws? That doesn't sound like a very healthy safety culture. This sounds like a good reason to have a little government regulation to align incentives with safety interests.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Hiding safety flaws? That doesn't sound like a very healthy safety culture. Welcome to the real world of corporate profit making. You must be new here.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Just the diesel scandal alone... (different badge, same manufacturer, and Porsche with their Cayenne diesel models was definitely affected).
- jacquesm 3y ago
  It'll never happen because regulators don't get involved except on the most abstract level (say: a recall with a proposed fix).
bri3d 3y ago
I strongly doubt this is the main reason. I think it's simpler and just like most hardware: there's no perception that open source adds value, and re-negotiating IP agreements with hundreds of sub-vendors would be unreasonably expensive in and of itself even if the vendors were amenable to open source. We see the same thing in plenty of non-safety critical hardware areas: board support packages, device drivers, graphics stacks, and so on. There's no perception that open source adds value in the hardware industry at large.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  The real shocker would be how incredibly crappy it all is. But yes, licensing is a huge part of the problem. But that also happens to help the manufacturers who really wouldn't want to open this stuff up to scrutiny anyway. If only because there might be a significant number of findings about accidents that turned out to have been caused by a malfunctioning vehicle after all when right now these are attributed to the driver.
jacquesm 3y ago
This probably strikes a lot closer to the real story.