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>I would argue that it's pretty clearly uncorrelated because countries all over the world have varying degrees of draconian drug laws and have achieved nothing.

>I would argue that it's pretty clearly uncorrelated because countries all over the world have varying degrees of draconian drug laws and have achieved nothing. The same source I cited illustrates a correlation that contradicts your argument. Go look at it again. Countries with draconian laws quantitatively correlate with lower drug use in the one source I cited. You said drugs were everywhere in Singapore. You were proven wrong via sources. Now this argument is wrong again, also contradicted with the Same source. >Thanks for sharing your perspective! I think we can agree to disagree but this was an interesting conversation. No problem. But to be honest this sentence makes it look like we are on even ground and ending the argument amicably because neither can move forward with more evidence. This is not what occured. You made several statements and those statements are categorically wrong. Your overall argument is definitively wrong. This is not about whether you agree or disagree with me as the sources directly contradict your claims.

arcticbull 3y ago
I read your links, fear not. > The same source I cited illustrates a correlation that contradicts your argument. Go look at it again. Countries with draconian laws quantitatively correlate with lower drug use in the one source I cited. Again, there's 1 country with draconian laws and good results, and a whole armada of countries with draconian laws and bad results. That tells me it's correlation not causation. Even if it were causative, it's not a model that aligns with Western values. You're fixated on a single data point that aligns with your preconceptions despite a whole lot of data that doesn't. > You said drugs were everywhere in Singapore. You were proven wrong via sources. Now this argument is wrong again, also contradicted with the Same source. Tons of articles disagree with you. Not to mention, I think the data is likely very suspect - after all, who would admit in surveys or studies to consuming drugs if it would get the executed? That's exactly the problem Japan has. > This is not what occured. You made several statements and those statements are categorically wrong. Respectfully disagree. 94% of people on death row in Singapore are there for non-violent drug offenses lol. That's not something I'm going to advocate for even if I believed you'd found a causative system in Singapore that could ever be willingly reproduced abroad, and I really don't. I see a correlation as evidenced by the myriad other countries who try this approach and fail miserably. Here I'll support your unpopular Singaporean idea if you support mine - have 80% of people in the US live in government housing. The Singapore HDB is a fantastic model we should reproduce! It materially improved affordability of housing in SG. Have a good one man.
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arcticbull 3y ago

I read your links, fear not. > The same source I cited illustrates a correlation that contradicts your argument. Go look at it again. Countries with draconian laws quantitatively correlate with lower drug use in the one source I cited. Again, there's 1 country with draconian laws and good results, and a whole armada of countries with draconian laws and bad results. That tells me it's correlation not causation. Even if it were causative, it's not a model that aligns with Western values. You're fixated on a single data point that aligns with your preconceptions despite a whole lot of data that doesn't. > You said drugs were everywhere in Singapore. You were proven wrong via sources. Now this argument is wrong again, also contradicted with the Same source. Tons of articles disagree with you. Not to mention, I think the data is likely very suspect - after all, who would admit in surveys or studies to consuming drugs if it would get the executed? That's exactly the problem Japan has. > This is not what occured. You made several statements and those statements are categorically wrong. Respectfully disagree. 94% of people on death row in Singapore are there for non-violent drug offenses lol. That's not something I'm going to advocate for even if I believed you'd found a causative system in Singapore that could ever be willingly reproduced abroad, and I really don't. I see a correlation as evidenced by the myriad other countries who try this approach and fail miserably. Here I'll support your unpopular Singaporean idea if you support mine - have 80% of people in the US live in government housing. The Singapore HDB is a fantastic model we should reproduce! It materially improved affordability of housing in SG. Have a good one man.

corethree 3y ago
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