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Same! I don't get why there are so many complains about macOS? It works very well for me; as a programmer or as a simple media consumer user. In fact I switched

by msoad 3y ago

Same! I don't get why there are so many complains about macOS? It works very well for me; as a programmer or as a simple media consumer user. In fact I switched to Safari for web browsing a few years ago and have not looked back. I use Chrome only for debugging web apps.

sneak 3y ago
It’s because macOS used to be made with an inordinate (and I cannot emphasize this enough) amount of care for the user experience for the sake of the user experience. Now that Apple has an existential crisis for growth and has become a services company, almost all Apple effort in software is aimed at maximizing recurring revenue and subscriptions. The UX for fitness, iCloud, IAPs, Apple TV, Arcade, Apple Pay, etc is top notch, because it makes them more money on an ongoing basis. The Finder, not so much. Also, a lot of the people who used to care deeply on a philosophical level about the UX of a computer for its own sake have either retired or moved on to other companies. Apple is not the same culture as it was fifteen years ago. A lot of younger people that work there don’t understand the Apple-ness of the Jobs era, and the products speak more to DJI than vegan counterculture hippies. There is also obviously a lot of product-manager-career-driven-design going on, same as any other hip modern tech company in no danger of going out of business (cf Slack, Dropbox, etc). Apple was, in many ways, an outgrowth of the obsessive nature of Jobs. He’s gone and it is perfectly natural that Apple would regress toward the mean of any well funded hip tech company.
- raspasov 3y ago
  The thing is (like I said above), I just don't see the evidence for that. Are there not-so-good parts of MacOS? Sure! - Yes, Finder is no good but it's not like it has regressed from circa 2011 - it's always been kinda non-intuitive to search for anything - Music app is probably the worst of all - definitely can find more ... That being said, overall performance has increased and most other parts have improved: - the recently redesigned settings menu is better than before - Safari has improved (I use it every day) - misc. useful features have been added, like using an iPad as an external display - crucially, overall stability is better than ever, in my experience Overall, MacOS mostly "stays out of the way" and lets various apps do the work, which is arguably what a good OS should be doing.
  - troupo 3y ago
    When people complain, you could look at what they are complaining about: - the iOSification of the desktop OS Yes, that includes the incredibly shitty new preferences app. Compare what they did with the design guidelines they used to have: https://marioaguzman.github.io/design/layoutguidelines/ https://marioaguzman.github.io/design/layoutguidelines/ - Forcing shitty mobile-first Catalyst and SwiftUI apps Prime example... Well, all of Apple's recent first-party apps: from Messages to Home to Books to... - Hiding and removing useful functionality for the sake of "clean interface" - The insane amount of notifications by default, and the gazillion ways to deliver them - Shitty support of external displays - Bloated, unstable developer tools that get worse every year - Superfluous half-baked "solutions" like Stage Manager. Also, mobile-first - Superfluous half-baked untested abominations like language switchers, or Caps Lock indicator A billion other things large and small.
- teapot7 3y ago
  > He’s gone and it is perfectly natural that Apple would regress toward the mean of any well funded hip tech company. I remember when Jobs died I thought "Apple - Jobs = Sony". I don't think I was too wrong.
  - sneak 3y ago
    I think that gives Sony far too much credit. One need only look at Apple’s attention to packaging design or audio quality to know they’re still a head and shoulders above any other consumer electronics company. Sony stopped innovating in consumer products many years ago, as far as I can tell. Maybe the days of the Walkman were different but I was too young to know what it was like then.

by msoad 3y ago

sneak 3y ago

It’s because macOS used to be made with an inordinate (and I cannot emphasize this enough) amount of care for the user experience for the sake of the user experience. Now that Apple has an existential crisis for growth and has become a services company, almost all Apple effort in software is aimed at maximizing recurring revenue and subscriptions. The UX for fitness, iCloud, IAPs, Apple TV, Arcade, Apple Pay, etc is top notch, because it makes them more money on an ongoing basis. The Finder, not so much. Also, a lot of the people who used to care deeply on a philosophical level about the UX of a computer for its own sake have either retired or moved on to other companies. Apple is not the same culture as it was fifteen years ago. A lot of younger people that work there don’t understand the Apple-ness of the Jobs era, and the products speak more to DJI than vegan counterculture hippies. There is also obviously a lot of product-manager-career-driven-design going on, same as any other hip modern tech company in no danger of going out of business (cf Slack, Dropbox, etc). Apple was, in many ways, an outgrowth of the obsessive nature of Jobs. He’s gone and it is perfectly natural that Apple would regress toward the mean of any well funded hip tech company.

raspasov 3y ago
The thing is (like I said above), I just don't see the evidence for that. Are there not-so-good parts of MacOS? Sure! - Yes, Finder is no good but it's not like it has regressed from circa 2011 - it's always been kinda non-intuitive to search for anything - Music app is probably the worst of all - definitely can find more ... That being said, overall performance has increased and most other parts have improved: - the recently redesigned settings menu is better than before - Safari has improved (I use it every day) - misc. useful features have been added, like using an iPad as an external display - crucially, overall stability is better than ever, in my experience Overall, MacOS mostly "stays out of the way" and lets various apps do the work, which is arguably what a good OS should be doing.
- troupo 3y ago
  When people complain, you could look at what they are complaining about: - the iOSification of the desktop OS Yes, that includes the incredibly shitty new preferences app. Compare what they did with the design guidelines they used to have: https://marioaguzman.github.io/design/layoutguidelines/ https://marioaguzman.github.io/design/layoutguidelines/ - Forcing shitty mobile-first Catalyst and SwiftUI apps Prime example... Well, all of Apple's recent first-party apps: from Messages to Home to Books to... - Hiding and removing useful functionality for the sake of "clean interface" - The insane amount of notifications by default, and the gazillion ways to deliver them - Shitty support of external displays - Bloated, unstable developer tools that get worse every year - Superfluous half-baked "solutions" like Stage Manager. Also, mobile-first - Superfluous half-baked untested abominations like language switchers, or Caps Lock indicator A billion other things large and small.
teapot7 3y ago
> He’s gone and it is perfectly natural that Apple would regress toward the mean of any well funded hip tech company. I remember when Jobs died I thought "Apple - Jobs = Sony". I don't think I was too wrong.
- sneak 3y ago
  I think that gives Sony far too much credit. One need only look at Apple’s attention to packaging design or audio quality to know they’re still a head and shoulders above any other consumer electronics company. Sony stopped innovating in consumer products many years ago, as far as I can tell. Maybe the days of the Walkman were different but I was too young to know what it was like then.