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The problem I see is with having the government be the one that issues your digital id. It gives them more power to fuck with politically undesirable people. Cu

by Asooka 3y ago

The problem I see is with having the government be the one that issues your digital id. It gives them more power to fuck with politically undesirable people. Currently I can get one of several companies to issue me with a digital certificate that I am person A, at least one of which could operate in defiance of corrupt orders. As an example, our banks will refuse to do business with you if you use your account to trade cryptocurrency. That is, if a bank catches you transferring money for the purpose of buying or selling cryptocurrency, you get blacklisted from doing any business with them at all forever. Your accounts get closed, you get your money back and are told to fuck off and never return. But you can still do it by using some other banking service. In contrast, if my government was the only bank I could use, they could debank me entirely and totally fuck me.

bertil 3y ago
Banks don't have to offer you an ID; governments do.
Jochim 3y ago
> In contrast, if my government was the only bank I could use, they could debank me entirely and totally fuck me. Digital government ID doesn't make the government into a bank. It also doesn't confer any powers that they don't already exercise through your physical government ID. Most countries already require some form of government ID in order to open a bank account, presumably they already blacklist these.
belorn 3y ago
They two authentication systems that I know of that allow users to freely choose between authentication suppliers are websites supporting openid and RFC 6238. There are works being done in Sweden to create an open government identification standard where users can choose which trusted entity to use, assuming that those entities are trusted by the government website or service that require government ID. For Sweden that would likely mean a choice between banks or government issued digital id, which is a step up from current system of only having banks being the authority of online identification. An EU digital identity would be a third options. Those are not a digital certificate. They are more similar to single-sign-on system. It is the "authenticate with facebook" but without facebook and for things like healthcare and taxes. As a side note, the current system in Sweden is such that if you do get banned from banks in Sweden then you also loose your digital identity and will be unable to do most things in relation to government or healthcare.

by Asooka 3y ago

bertil 3y ago

Banks don't have to offer you an ID; governments do.

Jochim 3y ago

> In contrast, if my government was the only bank I could use, they could debank me entirely and totally fuck me. Digital government ID doesn't make the government into a bank. It also doesn't confer any powers that they don't already exercise through your physical government ID. Most countries already require some form of government ID in order to open a bank account, presumably they already blacklist these.

belorn 3y ago

They two authentication systems that I know of that allow users to freely choose between authentication suppliers are websites supporting openid and RFC 6238. There are works being done in Sweden to create an open government identification standard where users can choose which trusted entity to use, assuming that those entities are trusted by the government website or service that require government ID. For Sweden that would likely mean a choice between banks or government issued digital id, which is a step up from current system of only having banks being the authority of online identification. An EU digital identity would be a third options. Those are not a digital certificate. They are more similar to single-sign-on system. It is the "authenticate with facebook" but without facebook and for things like healthcare and taxes. As a side note, the current system in Sweden is such that if you do get banned from banks in Sweden then you also loose your digital identity and will be unable to do most things in relation to government or healthcare.