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While I can be quite critical of the EU this actually sounds somewhat convenient, from a practical standpoint at least. Currently in Finland I can identify onl

by spurgu 3y ago

While I can be quite critical of the EU this actually sounds somewhat convenient, from a practical standpoint at least. Currently in Finland I can identify online through my Finnish bank credentials, but that's of no use in Spain for example because even if they were to recognize Finnish banks as authoritative the information that is passed from there is my Finnish social security number, while in Spain I identify either by passport number or by NIE (foreign identity number). A standardization would be convenient, that I could verify my identity online regardless of which European country I'm dealing with. Edit: I mean from a privacy standpoint we all have social security numbers already, this (on the surface at last) just seems like a standardization of identifying online across Eueopean countries. Or am I missing something? Edit2: But..! I would definitely vote against tying this to biometrics. But I think that ship has already sailed? Aren't everyone requiring biometrics for passports nowadays? So the only way to avoid it is to not travel.

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verisimi 3y ago
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- yladiz 3y ago
  What?
  - verisimi 3y ago
    "I love being governed strongly. Government is like my mum or dad, and keeps me safe!" says every Scandinavian everytime. I thought you guys were vikings!
FinnKuhn 3y ago
The German ID also has an online verification function already in it, but if you are a Spanish citizen for example on holiday in Germany that doesn't help you. One EU-wide system is much better than a different one for each country as it helps to give equal access to online services regardless of your country of origin. That system is mostly just used for government websites, stuff like getting a new passport, change your registered address or view/submit your taxes. If you could do this stuff anywhere in the EU online no matter where you are from it would be way easier to move between countries and navigate different bureaucracies.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
If such an ID were to be broadly established, people start to demand it being used for everything. Age verification, any form of transaction, social media will require it to filter content... We already see some of this even today, Blogger for example. At that point anonymity on the net becomes impractical. Honestly, even with government services getting easier to access, this is mostly not worth it.
- spurgu 3y ago
  People generally don't demand anything, people in power do. Using all sorts of excuses like "your safety" or "pedophilia and terrorism". I just don't see a way to fight it, it's inevitable. The golden age of a free internet is already over. People are mostly on huge centralized platforms. You can fight it tooth and nail but it's a constant uphill battle where you take one step forward and two steps back. Meanwhile there will always be places like the dark web, where you can transact in crypto, but most of the internet will be strict and regulated. I just don't see why it wouldn't, since centralized power seems to be the tool of choice for most problems. It fucking sucks but it is what it is. I'll still keep donating to the EFF but that's just delaying the process. Sorry for the pessimist take.

by spurgu 3y ago

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verisimi 3y ago

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yladiz 3y ago
What?
- verisimi 3y ago
  "I love being governed strongly. Government is like my mum or dad, and keeps me safe!" says every Scandinavian everytime. I thought you guys were vikings!

FinnKuhn 3y ago

The German ID also has an online verification function already in it, but if you are a Spanish citizen for example on holiday in Germany that doesn't help you. One EU-wide system is much better than a different one for each country as it helps to give equal access to online services regardless of your country of origin. That system is mostly just used for government websites, stuff like getting a new passport, change your registered address or view/submit your taxes. If you could do this stuff anywhere in the EU online no matter where you are from it would be way easier to move between countries and navigate different bureaucracies.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

If such an ID were to be broadly established, people start to demand it being used for everything. Age verification, any form of transaction, social media will require it to filter content... We already see some of this even today, Blogger for example. At that point anonymity on the net becomes impractical. Honestly, even with government services getting easier to access, this is mostly not worth it.

spurgu 3y ago
People generally don't demand anything, people in power do. Using all sorts of excuses like "your safety" or "pedophilia and terrorism". I just don't see a way to fight it, it's inevitable. The golden age of a free internet is already over. People are mostly on huge centralized platforms. You can fight it tooth and nail but it's a constant uphill battle where you take one step forward and two steps back. Meanwhile there will always be places like the dark web, where you can transact in crypto, but most of the internet will be strict and regulated. I just don't see why it wouldn't, since centralized power seems to be the tool of choice for most problems. It fucking sucks but it is what it is. I'll still keep donating to the EFF but that's just delaying the process. Sorry for the pessimist take.