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My interactions with chatgpt have been frustrating. It cannot seem to process even basic interactions. Here is an example https://chat.openai.com/share/65c8cb

My interactions with chatgpt have been frustrating. It cannot seem to process even basic interactions. Here is an example https://chat.openai.com/share/65c8cbd7-8556-4e02-a726-32eaa8fab5fd https://chat.openai.com/share/65c8cbd7-8556-4e02-a726-32eaa8... What am I doing wrong here ?

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Not sure, but I'd check two things: 1) Make sure you're chatting with GPT-4, not GPT-3; 2) Try something other than recipes and lyrics. It so happens that ChatGPT models have been instructed (via system prompt) to specifically not reproduce recipes and lyrics verbatim[0]. Those two categories are verboten - ChatGPT is literally instructed to not repeat recipes found on-line, but rather invent its own. I suspect you're hitting 2) - sure, you provided your own recipe, but from the POV of ChatGPT, this isn't clearly distinguishable from how "web search" works (run web search, inject results into temporary context, let the model generate reply, send user reply without the temporary context), so it may be acting dumb because it's over-eager to apply the instructions from its system prompt. (That's a good reason to prefer using API directly via code, or a third-party chat frontend: you get to control the system prompt this way, and can cut out some of OpenAI's restrictions.) -- [0] - Yes, they literally mention those two things in their instructions. The linked tweet has a reply showing the reconstructed system prompt of newest GPT-4 iteration, where you can spot this, but this also applied to earlier iterations for some time now.
- apwell23 3y ago
  ok. How about this https://chat.openai.com/c/312cdb5f-8674-4302-ad8a-e91486c0539e https://chat.openai.com/c/312cdb5f-8674-4302-ad8a-e91486c053... Chatgpt gave me some useless answer. I asked google and it gave me much much better answer on the search page "It's difficult to define dream pop as a genre; it's more of a sound and aesthetic than a list of limitations. That's partially why Beach House mastered it so well; over the course of nine albums, the group hardly deviates from the gauzy sonics and vocals that characterize its music." This probably has something to do with point 2 you mentioned. Most of my iteractions with chatgpt are useless like these. I would rather use google and correctly sourced human written text. Maybe I am just using chatgpt wrong? I know it shines in things like 'write poem about crow and cat for a 3 yr old' but i am surprised by ppl on this thread saying they use it ask questions about economics/sql ect.
wenc 3y ago
I tried your prompts and it gave me the right answers. Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. Your response was actually not correct -- GPT actually gave the correct answer.
- apwell23 3y ago
  > Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. If you look at the first response. First item in there was onions. Second was tomatoes. > GPT actually gave the correct answer. what? You just said saying onions is wrong ?
  - wenc 3y ago
    Yes. The chat is gone now, but from what I saw, you explicitly asked about shopping for vegetables. It gave the correct answer but you insisted it missed onions and tomatoes. Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not) (I also make biryani and there are usually no vegetables in biryani and there was definitely none in the recipe you pasted)
    - apwell23 3y ago
      > Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? https://imgur.com/a/vzMdwWl https://imgur.com/a/vzMdwWl Because Chatgpt said onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' ? That was my first question. Can you please reread chatgpt answer carefully where it says onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' . Its not relevant what i consider vegetables. I built my question on what chatgpt said it considers as vegetables. Unrelated: > Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion "An onion (Allium cepa L., from Latin cepa meaning "onion"), also known as the bulb onion or common onion, is a vegetable that is the most widely cultivated species of the genus Allium. "
      - 3y ago

TeMPOraL 3y ago

Not sure, but I'd check two things: 1) Make sure you're chatting with GPT-4, not GPT-3; 2) Try something other than recipes and lyrics. It so happens that ChatGPT models have been instructed (via system prompt) to specifically not reproduce recipes and lyrics verbatim[0]. Those two categories are verboten - ChatGPT is literally instructed to not repeat recipes found on-line, but rather invent its own. I suspect you're hitting 2) - sure, you provided your own recipe, but from the POV of ChatGPT, this isn't clearly distinguishable from how "web search" works (run web search, inject results into temporary context, let the model generate reply, send user reply without the temporary context), so it may be acting dumb because it's over-eager to apply the instructions from its system prompt. (That's a good reason to prefer using API directly via code, or a third-party chat frontend: you get to control the system prompt this way, and can cut out some of OpenAI's restrictions.) -- [0] - Yes, they literally mention those two things in their instructions. The linked tweet has a reply showing the reconstructed system prompt of newest GPT-4 iteration, where you can spot this, but this also applied to earlier iterations for some time now.

apwell23 3y ago
ok. How about this https://chat.openai.com/c/312cdb5f-8674-4302-ad8a-e91486c0539e https://chat.openai.com/c/312cdb5f-8674-4302-ad8a-e91486c053... Chatgpt gave me some useless answer. I asked google and it gave me much much better answer on the search page "It's difficult to define dream pop as a genre; it's more of a sound and aesthetic than a list of limitations. That's partially why Beach House mastered it so well; over the course of nine albums, the group hardly deviates from the gauzy sonics and vocals that characterize its music." This probably has something to do with point 2 you mentioned. Most of my iteractions with chatgpt are useless like these. I would rather use google and correctly sourced human written text. Maybe I am just using chatgpt wrong? I know it shines in things like 'write poem about crow and cat for a 3 yr old' but i am surprised by ppl on this thread saying they use it ask questions about economics/sql ect.

wenc 3y ago

I tried your prompts and it gave me the right answers. Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. Your response was actually not correct -- GPT actually gave the correct answer.

apwell23 3y ago
> Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. If you look at the first response. First item in there was onions. Second was tomatoes. > GPT actually gave the correct answer. what? You just said saying onions is wrong ?
- wenc 3y ago
  Yes. The chat is gone now, but from what I saw, you explicitly asked about shopping for vegetables. It gave the correct answer but you insisted it missed onions and tomatoes. Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not) (I also make biryani and there are usually no vegetables in biryani and there was definitely none in the recipe you pasted)
  - apwell23 3y ago
    > Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? https://imgur.com/a/vzMdwWl https://imgur.com/a/vzMdwWl Because Chatgpt said onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' ? That was my first question. Can you please reread chatgpt answer carefully where it says onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' . Its not relevant what i consider vegetables. I built my question on what chatgpt said it considers as vegetables. Unrelated: > Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion "An onion (Allium cepa L., from Latin cepa meaning "onion"), also known as the bulb onion or common onion, is a vegetable that is the most widely cultivated species of the genus Allium. "
    - 3y ago