> Hah! If you are gonna pull back the date, let's pull them back all the way to when both nations existed in 1776. How many african and pacific nations did Fran

> Hah! If you are gonna pull back the date, let's pull them back all the way to when both nations existed in 1776. How many african and pacific nations did France topple? Add that to the count and the US is dramatically less. My point was exactly that you'll get vastly different results depending on what range of time you choose. That being said I'm still not sure if the French would take the lead on that one, which obviously would be quite a project to investigate... > Reality doesn't change because you refuse to accept it. Na of course not, and a spade will be a spade, and backstabbing backstabbing, no matter how much you try to snake yourself out of it. > It is not just germany and russia your uncle sam protected you from. The US supported the Soviet union militarily enabling them to put half of Europe under communist dictatorship. > It's so weird to me that not even a century ago europeans were chopping off limbs, murdering and mutilating for profit all over the world and now you feel superior to americans because spies interfere in those same places? No because the CIA are torturing people and are paying people to rape, murder and torture for fun and profit, I don't think there really is anyone who can claim the moral highground. That doesn't mean that I won't say that it's immoral and wrong for these countries to do this, and perhaps more importantly shortsighted and countraproductive... > ... and the EU countries had no complaints with the US doing that then. People in Europe complained a lot! > Relatively speaking, post-ww2 has been the most peaceful time in human history. Again as with the example above that really really depends on how you measure it. > And for Europe outside of slavic europe I can't even think of one war Yeah so you seem to have a bit of a tendency to say that there's peace everywhere and everywhere apart from places and times that you omit from the list more or less arbitrarily. It's like saying that the period 1939-1949 was really peaceful in Sweden and Switzerland. > Maybe the one with UK and argentina counts? In that case overseas French territories would make it seem way way less peaceful.