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Mars or even stellar exploration will matter, or would, if we make it there... didn't question that. And it is not just about me and my nonexistant children ;)

Mars or even stellar exploration will matter, or would, if we make it there... didn't question that. And it is not just about me and my nonexistant children ;) But tbh, if something after us emerges again in some millions of years is similarly important to me as if any other alien life exists.. and no it won't help me any bit over the sadness of massive unnecessary suffering we will cause to ourselves and all the living beings around us in the near future. I am not a sad / depressive person, but no, a future alien population (no matter if earth or somewhere else born) will not help the current perspective at all, or make me happier? > We have the privilege of being the only life form ever to use technology. I doubt that is and will be true. I don't get your following derivations, I think you understood me wrong.

sillysaurusx 3y ago
What would make you happier? I ask in earnest, since finding meaning is a lifelong pursuit. Being able to thumb our nose at the universe by colonizing Mars before the sun wipes out the solar system appeals to my rebel tendencies, since the sun is the ultimate authority, after all. May as well give it a good run for our money. There’s also a chance that being on Mars is exactly the right spot to be in when our sun starts to expand. I guess I like the idea that even if we humans don’t get there, something that descends from us might. Actually, I like the idea that something a few steps up the evolutionary tree (like an alligator) will spring to life and discover the merits of language, if some cataclysm wipes us out. Or maybe reptiles in space is just my thing. The early Apollo missions were a missed opportunity to make a lizard astronaut a reality. If there’s some other way to escape the existential dread of none of what we do mattering whatsoever, please share. It’s at least nice to imagine that one of our cells will make it from earth to mars.
- seadan83 3y ago
  Remember, the very best conditions of Mars will always be far worst than the worst conditions ever present on Earth. Mars is _incredibly_ inhospitable; even a nuclear wasteland Earth is easier to live on than Mars. Second, a permanent Mars colony will always be dependent on the Earth for regular resupply. If Earth were to become toast, so would the colonies on Mars. This person gets into it in more detail: https://www.quora.com/How-would-we-be-able-to-live-on-Mars?no_redirect=1 https://www.quora.com/How-would-we-be-able-to-live-on-Mars?n... Further, stating that the most salient problem for us to solve now with technology is a problem that will occur 5 billion years from now - strikes me as hubris. That _we_ must be the ones to save the Earth, as if we will have failed unless _we_ are the super heroes that save humanity for all of time. Meanwhile, the Earth is a giant garden. Given our focuses, I don't think future generations will think of us as heroes. I don't think future generations will think of us too kindly at all.
- throwbadubadu 3y ago
  > What would make you happier? Just having a good life.. and if so, doing good things for me, whatever scope of fellows around me (could be whole humanity), and improve anything what I can influence somehow, like the near future. That some lifeform in a far away future may have a shot colonizing Mars? Could not be more indifferent ;)

sillysaurusx 3y ago

What would make you happier? I ask in earnest, since finding meaning is a lifelong pursuit. Being able to thumb our nose at the universe by colonizing Mars before the sun wipes out the solar system appeals to my rebel tendencies, since the sun is the ultimate authority, after all. May as well give it a good run for our money. There’s also a chance that being on Mars is exactly the right spot to be in when our sun starts to expand. I guess I like the idea that even if we humans don’t get there, something that descends from us might. Actually, I like the idea that something a few steps up the evolutionary tree (like an alligator) will spring to life and discover the merits of language, if some cataclysm wipes us out. Or maybe reptiles in space is just my thing. The early Apollo missions were a missed opportunity to make a lizard astronaut a reality. If there’s some other way to escape the existential dread of none of what we do mattering whatsoever, please share. It’s at least nice to imagine that one of our cells will make it from earth to mars.

seadan83 3y ago
Remember, the very best conditions of Mars will always be far worst than the worst conditions ever present on Earth. Mars is _incredibly_ inhospitable; even a nuclear wasteland Earth is easier to live on than Mars. Second, a permanent Mars colony will always be dependent on the Earth for regular resupply. If Earth were to become toast, so would the colonies on Mars. This person gets into it in more detail: https://www.quora.com/How-would-we-be-able-to-live-on-Mars?no_redirect=1 https://www.quora.com/How-would-we-be-able-to-live-on-Mars?n... Further, stating that the most salient problem for us to solve now with technology is a problem that will occur 5 billion years from now - strikes me as hubris. That _we_ must be the ones to save the Earth, as if we will have failed unless _we_ are the super heroes that save humanity for all of time. Meanwhile, the Earth is a giant garden. Given our focuses, I don't think future generations will think of us as heroes. I don't think future generations will think of us too kindly at all.
throwbadubadu 3y ago
> What would make you happier? Just having a good life.. and if so, doing good things for me, whatever scope of fellows around me (could be whole humanity), and improve anything what I can influence somehow, like the near future. That some lifeform in a far away future may have a shot colonizing Mars? Could not be more indifferent ;)