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I use Eternal September too. I wish that there was another archive of Usenet. Google’s “stewardship” of it has been predictably disastrous.

StableAlkyne 3y ago
My conspiracy theory is that they bought it to kill Usenet. Search is their business, and users going to Usenet (which you can't exactly search without an archive) instead of a forum on the web hurts business. So they bought DejaNews and slapped a deliberately bad UI onto it. And as every ISP dropped Usenet, people were told "Go to Google Groups to keep talking." And because the UX was outright worse than the newsreaders they had been using (no killfiles, no moderation for spam, etc), people left for forums.
- Projectiboga 3y ago
  The ISPs all dropped USENET when NY AG Coumo strong armed several ISPs to drop Usenet Binaries for the made up reason of Child Porn. The tell was he wanted them to drop all binaries not just the 'adult' ones. He was running for Governor, which is why I felt it was a publicity stunt and a favor to big media, who didn't want to litigate about Usenet due to the complexity and the existing case law.
  - StableAlkyne 3y ago
    The worst part about the whole thing is they could have just dropped the binary groups and kept the text groups. By dropping all of Usenet, they killed most of the discussion and effectively handed it to the binaries users. In doing so, they created an environment where most people using Usenet were doing it to pirate stuff, and those users had already moved to private providers who could afford the bandwidth. Nowadays all you get when you search for Usenet providers are folks dedicated to binaries. Piracy won and smothered out discussion in the process. Even the Usenet sub on Reddit is just discussions that toe the line on Reddit's piracy rules. The only text-only provider I'm still aware of is Eternal-September. I've heard of SDF offering newsgroups as well but I haven't looked into it.
    - floren 3y ago
      There are lots of small text-only providers, but they're not widely known because they're small. ES is special because they allow low-friction signups; others you will mostly need to know the admin to get an account.
  - trackflak 3y ago
    That 'everyone online is a predator' act has been going on for a while hasn't it? Its current snake head is the UK's online safety bill.

StableAlkyne 3y ago

My conspiracy theory is that they bought it to kill Usenet. Search is their business, and users going to Usenet (which you can't exactly search without an archive) instead of a forum on the web hurts business. So they bought DejaNews and slapped a deliberately bad UI onto it. And as every ISP dropped Usenet, people were told "Go to Google Groups to keep talking." And because the UX was outright worse than the newsreaders they had been using (no killfiles, no moderation for spam, etc), people left for forums.

Projectiboga 3y ago
The ISPs all dropped USENET when NY AG Coumo strong armed several ISPs to drop Usenet Binaries for the made up reason of Child Porn. The tell was he wanted them to drop all binaries not just the 'adult' ones. He was running for Governor, which is why I felt it was a publicity stunt and a favor to big media, who didn't want to litigate about Usenet due to the complexity and the existing case law.
- StableAlkyne 3y ago
  The worst part about the whole thing is they could have just dropped the binary groups and kept the text groups. By dropping all of Usenet, they killed most of the discussion and effectively handed it to the binaries users. In doing so, they created an environment where most people using Usenet were doing it to pirate stuff, and those users had already moved to private providers who could afford the bandwidth. Nowadays all you get when you search for Usenet providers are folks dedicated to binaries. Piracy won and smothered out discussion in the process. Even the Usenet sub on Reddit is just discussions that toe the line on Reddit's piracy rules. The only text-only provider I'm still aware of is Eternal-September. I've heard of SDF offering newsgroups as well but I haven't looked into it.
  - floren 3y ago
    There are lots of small text-only providers, but they're not widely known because they're small. ES is special because they allow low-friction signups; others you will mostly need to know the admin to get an account.
- trackflak 3y ago
  That 'everyone online is a predator' act has been going on for a while hasn't it? Its current snake head is the UK's online safety bill.