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I have and had the opposite experience. All I see is games with uninteresting choices, pointless rule systems due to those choices being uninteresting, and an e

I have and had the opposite experience. All I see is games with uninteresting choices, pointless rule systems due to those choices being uninteresting, and an endless parade of negative EVs trying to pretend they aren’t somehow. People who enjoy it clearly have a very different relationship with math and probability I guess.

crazygringo 3y ago
> People who enjoy it clearly have a very different relationship with math and probability I guess. That sounds like you're implying that only mathematically less-literate people gamble. I think that's wrong, though. I've got as strong of a background in stats and probability as they come, and that hasn't changed my enjoyment of it at all. Maybe it's even added to it, since there's the added challenge of finding the least-bad bet. You're paying for the excitement of the ups and downs. You sound like someone who says they don't like the movies because all they see are uninteresting plot predicaments, pointless obstacles, and an endless parade of non-optimal choices by characters all trying to pretend the ending isn't going to be predictable. All I can say is, to each their own, but it definitely sounds like you haven't grasped the essential emotional quality of the entire experience -- that perhaps you don't have, but many other people certainly do. And that aspect doesn't have anything to do with mathematical literacy.
reducesuffering 3y ago
> endless parade of negative EV Wait until you find out some Blackjack is exploitable to be positive EV and requires interesting levels of multitasking the first few hundred hours. Poker can also be profitable due to marks, even with a negative EV rake. But yes, many games, especially Roulette, Slots, and Craps, are blatantly negative EV. However, Craps is very fun due to the team table dynamics.
tekla 3y ago
> All I see is games with uninteresting choices, pointless rule systems due to those choices being uninteresting, and an endless parade of negative EVs If this was true, clearly you should be playing at the poker tables and raking in the cash.
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
  Being able to identify a game as -EV doesn't mean you are going to be great at poker? Or else why isn't every statistician in the world a professional poker player?

crazygringo 3y ago

> People who enjoy it clearly have a very different relationship with math and probability I guess. That sounds like you're implying that only mathematically less-literate people gamble. I think that's wrong, though. I've got as strong of a background in stats and probability as they come, and that hasn't changed my enjoyment of it at all. Maybe it's even added to it, since there's the added challenge of finding the least-bad bet. You're paying for the excitement of the ups and downs. You sound like someone who says they don't like the movies because all they see are uninteresting plot predicaments, pointless obstacles, and an endless parade of non-optimal choices by characters all trying to pretend the ending isn't going to be predictable. All I can say is, to each their own, but it definitely sounds like you haven't grasped the essential emotional quality of the entire experience -- that perhaps you don't have, but many other people certainly do. And that aspect doesn't have anything to do with mathematical literacy.

reducesuffering 3y ago

> endless parade of negative EV Wait until you find out some Blackjack is exploitable to be positive EV and requires interesting levels of multitasking the first few hundred hours. Poker can also be profitable due to marks, even with a negative EV rake. But yes, many games, especially Roulette, Slots, and Craps, are blatantly negative EV. However, Craps is very fun due to the team table dynamics.

tekla 3y ago

> All I see is games with uninteresting choices, pointless rule systems due to those choices being uninteresting, and an endless parade of negative EVs If this was true, clearly you should be playing at the poker tables and raking in the cash.

zeroonetwothree 3y ago
Being able to identify a game as -EV doesn't mean you are going to be great at poker? Or else why isn't every statistician in the world a professional poker player?