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I'm saying the timing is not the best. Read the room first. And I'm not saying he "was caught doing something bad" I am saying he is the President of the univer

I'm saying the timing is not the best. Read the room first. And I'm not saying he "was caught doing something bad" I am saying he is the President of the university, the leader, and he is a fraud. This isn't a one-time thing, and this fraud stretches back to before he was president, there were already rumors of his fraud in his community, and they hired him anyway knowing he could be a fraud. He also worked to stop this from coming to light, and to this day hasn't really admitted he was at fault except to say 'I could have done better', he is also stil a professor there. A 17 yo can figure this out but a university board can't? come on. "Marc Tessier-Lavigne, who has spent seven years as president, authored 12 reports that contained falsified information" What kind of legal threats did you receive? Stephen Neal, the chair emeritus of Cooley, one of the biggest law firms in the Silicon Valley area, represented Marc Tessier-Lavigne and sent a number of aggressive letters requesting retractions or seeking to block the publication of articles that detailed Tessier-Lavigne’s involvement in alleged incidents of fraud. Neal is also a former attorney for [disgraced former Theranos CEO] Elizabeth Holmes. https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2023-07-21/how-stanford-freshman-brought-down-university-president https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2023-07-21/how-stanfor...

Jtsummers 3y ago
> I'm saying the timing is not the best. Read the room first. Instead of reading the room, perhaps read the page: >> 2021-12-14 From the preface. This document is at least 2 years old, it wasn't just published.
z2h-a6n 3y ago
As other commenters have noted, large universities are quite heterogeneous and their administrations are fairly decoupled from their research activity, except in a big-picture sense. The timing is basically irrelevant because you might as well regard Stanford Data Science and the Stanford University Administration as separate entities for all directly-research-related purposes. I'm a researcher at a large university (admittedly a grad student, and therefore more insulated from university administrivia than a professor), and I don't even know who my university's president is.
sieste 3y ago
I didn't know about the story when posting this. I also don't think it's relevant, even in a read-the-room sense. Bad press about the leader of an institution isn't a reason to stop discussing the institution's work.
panarky 3y ago
Jan Hendrik Schön, a researcher at Bell Labs in the field of condensed matter physics, committed scientific fraud by fabricating and manipulating data in his research. The fraud was discovered in 2002. I'm thankful that most people can understand the difference between the institution from the fraudster, because Bell Labs has produced some amazing work since then.
- atrettel 3y ago
  For those unfamiliar with the story of Jan Hendrik Schön, I suggest watching this excellent series of videos by BobbyBroccoli on YouTube [1-3]. The series does a good job breaking down the context and the situation that Schön was in, along with the incentives that encouraged Schön to commit fraud. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDoml-Db64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDoml-Db64 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riio1eKOSKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riio1eKOSKg [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsSuhP60qnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsSuhP60qnI

Jtsummers 3y ago

> I'm saying the timing is not the best. Read the room first. Instead of reading the room, perhaps read the page: >> 2021-12-14 From the preface. This document is at least 2 years old, it wasn't just published.

z2h-a6n 3y ago

As other commenters have noted, large universities are quite heterogeneous and their administrations are fairly decoupled from their research activity, except in a big-picture sense. The timing is basically irrelevant because you might as well regard Stanford Data Science and the Stanford University Administration as separate entities for all directly-research-related purposes. I'm a researcher at a large university (admittedly a grad student, and therefore more insulated from university administrivia than a professor), and I don't even know who my university's president is.

sieste 3y ago

I didn't know about the story when posting this. I also don't think it's relevant, even in a read-the-room sense. Bad press about the leader of an institution isn't a reason to stop discussing the institution's work.

panarky 3y ago

Jan Hendrik Schön, a researcher at Bell Labs in the field of condensed matter physics, committed scientific fraud by fabricating and manipulating data in his research. The fraud was discovered in 2002. I'm thankful that most people can understand the difference between the institution from the fraudster, because Bell Labs has produced some amazing work since then.

atrettel 3y ago
For those unfamiliar with the story of Jan Hendrik Schön, I suggest watching this excellent series of videos by BobbyBroccoli on YouTube [1-3]. The series does a good job breaking down the context and the situation that Schön was in, along with the incentives that encouraged Schön to commit fraud. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDoml-Db64 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDoml-Db64 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riio1eKOSKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riio1eKOSKg [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsSuhP60qnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsSuhP60qnI