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it’s more appropriate than you’re allowing it to be. your extension of the metaphor loses sight of the topic. the duration of the controlled experience of a mea

it’s more appropriate than you’re allowing it to be. your extension of the metaphor loses sight of the topic. the duration of the controlled experience of a meal is definitely shorter than the duration of phone ownership and so if you want to attack the metaphor based on duration and utility of the experience then that would be far more congruent

pierat 3y ago
No, again some garbage analogy is not even wrong. I buy hardware and pay money for a purchase. This purchase has remote control software that obeys the company, and not me, the owner. I cannot remove this remote control garbage. This makes the device a rental on the approval of Apple, and not myself, the legal owner. If I were to do this, I would be charged with felony hacking under CFAA and similar statutes.... But Apple sycophants defend these egregious behaviors.
- paulmd 3y ago
  > sycophants argument discarded for incivility why is this so absolutely normalized? every single android user seems to have this dripping hatred for half of the population, and only waits for the perceived “proper company” to let the mask drop. Why is that so utterly normalized for android users? Obviously the fact that it’s normalized is self-reinforcing, people do it because they see other people doing it and it’s routinely allowed and tolerated. I will probably get my knuckles rapped more for saying this than you are for open bigotry. Over, I remind you, a fucking cellphone. You’re a bigot because other people chose a different cellular telephone. What a silly thing. Every single phone discussion has to have someone doing the “brainless apple sheep” or “people just buy for blue bubbles!” or “mindless apple sycophants!” routines. Every one. Even on hacker news of all places, where absolutely everyone has a very technical interest in this stuff, and good reasons for picking the things they do.
  - pierat 3y ago
    Damn, you really are lost in "it's all about a cellphone" strawman you devised, eh? This is about companies permanently tying hardware they "sell" into a permanent-loan with undefined terms, or otherwise change the terms of a sale long after the sale completed. Apple is only one such company. All IoT companies do this. Tesla does this. Most car companies are starting this. John Deere does this. And it's all about adding in uncontrollable computers to make a sale into a permanent rental, all without proper rental agreements. But hey, lets get off topic and turn it into a simple Apple vs Android debacle, like you did. Again, you're at best short sighted and feeding into the arbitrary binary trope.

pierat 3y ago

No, again some garbage analogy is not even wrong. I buy hardware and pay money for a purchase. This purchase has remote control software that obeys the company, and not me, the owner. I cannot remove this remote control garbage. This makes the device a rental on the approval of Apple, and not myself, the legal owner. If I were to do this, I would be charged with felony hacking under CFAA and similar statutes.... But Apple sycophants defend these egregious behaviors.

paulmd 3y ago
> sycophants argument discarded for incivility why is this so absolutely normalized? every single android user seems to have this dripping hatred for half of the population, and only waits for the perceived “proper company” to let the mask drop. Why is that so utterly normalized for android users? Obviously the fact that it’s normalized is self-reinforcing, people do it because they see other people doing it and it’s routinely allowed and tolerated. I will probably get my knuckles rapped more for saying this than you are for open bigotry. Over, I remind you, a fucking cellphone. You’re a bigot because other people chose a different cellular telephone. What a silly thing. Every single phone discussion has to have someone doing the “brainless apple sheep” or “people just buy for blue bubbles!” or “mindless apple sycophants!” routines. Every one. Even on hacker news of all places, where absolutely everyone has a very technical interest in this stuff, and good reasons for picking the things they do.
- pierat 3y ago
  Damn, you really are lost in "it's all about a cellphone" strawman you devised, eh? This is about companies permanently tying hardware they "sell" into a permanent-loan with undefined terms, or otherwise change the terms of a sale long after the sale completed. Apple is only one such company. All IoT companies do this. Tesla does this. Most car companies are starting this. John Deere does this. And it's all about adding in uncontrollable computers to make a sale into a permanent rental, all without proper rental agreements. But hey, lets get off topic and turn it into a simple Apple vs Android debacle, like you did. Again, you're at best short sighted and feeding into the arbitrary binary trope.