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Headline is wrong. Market paid $1K for the iPhone experience. Look at ads: specs versus "life goals" enablement. This is not a hardware product or parts bin

Headline is wrong. Market paid $1K for the iPhone experience. Look at ads: specs versus "life goals" enablement. This is not a hardware product or parts bin price. If you pay $1,000 for a meal, you damn sure expect the restaurant to control the experience since the price isn't the cost of ingredients. And if you want to cook, that's great, but you're not getting to bring your own parsley, you hack together your own meal elsewhere. . . . Even if food became free, people would pay -- and pay well -- for the curated Michelin star experience. So how to learn to think more about the diner's experience than the kitchen experience or the "right" to monkey with some other chef's prix fixe menu, to better build that kind of user appreciation for one's own product? For sure, a Michelin star is hard to achieve.

humphly 3y ago
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goosedragons 3y ago
The article is less about Apple's grotesque restrictions on what you can do with your hardware via software (e.g., no emulators, etc.) and instead about Apple's grotesque restrictions regarding the parts you can use to fix your phone. I don't think too many people want the restaurant to have a say on what side they make to go with their leftovers from the previous day.
- daft_pink 3y ago
  But the reality is that no ones going to spend $100 to fix a 10 year old phone, when you can't get the security updates for it. Security updates cost money and programmers and the reality is that Apple is the best at security updates, but no one is really concerned about how to repair an iPhone in 10 years, because an iPhone is only realistically usable until the security updates run out.
BiteCode_dev 3y ago
I go to high end restaurants, the Michelin being the only north star I rely on in the day and age of fake reviews and terrible average consumer taste. Sure, I want the restaurant to control the initial offer, and at this price I expect it to be amazing. But I guarantee that at this price range, they will let me do what I want with my food. I can bring my own bottle of ketchup and put it on it. They will look disgusted, but I can. In fact, as a vegetarian, it's not rare I ask them to adapt their ENTIRE menu just for little me. And they do it. So the comparison does not hold. But I get your point, a lot of people do want Apple to tell them how they should use their device. That's something that is hard to swallow when you like FOSS, but it's a reality.
pierat 3y ago
Wow, such a ridiculous HN take. A top notch restaurant does not keep or retain ownership of your stomach, bowels, or shit after eating at their restaurant. Apple "sells" hardware in a completely fraudulent way, by retaining control as a rental or lease, but advertises it as a sale. You can play whatever word games and bad analogies, and they're not even wrong.
- swasheck 3y ago
  it’s more appropriate than you’re allowing it to be. your extension of the metaphor loses sight of the topic. the duration of the controlled experience of a meal is definitely shorter than the duration of phone ownership and so if you want to attack the metaphor based on duration and utility of the experience then that would be far more congruent
  - pierat 3y ago
    No, again some garbage analogy is not even wrong. I buy hardware and pay money for a purchase. This purchase has remote control software that obeys the company, and not me, the owner. I cannot remove this remote control garbage. This makes the device a rental on the approval of Apple, and not myself, the legal owner. If I were to do this, I would be charged with felony hacking under CFAA and similar statutes.... But Apple sycophants defend these egregious behaviors.
    - paulmd 3y ago
      > sycophants argument discarded for incivility why is this so absolutely normalized? every single android user seems to have this dripping hatred for half of the population, and only waits for the perceived “proper company” to let the mask drop. Why is that so utterly normalized for android users? Obviously the fact that it’s normalized is self-reinforcing, people do it because they see other people doing it and it’s routinely allowed and tolerated. I will probably get my knuckles rapped more for saying this than you are for open bigotry. Over, I remind you, a fucking cellphone. You’re a bigot because other people chose a different cellular telephone. What a silly thing. Every single phone discussion has to have someone doing the “brainless apple sheep” or “people just buy for blue bubbles!” or “mindless apple sycophants!” routines. Every one. Even on hacker news of all places, where absolutely everyone has a very technical interest in this stuff, and good reasons for picking the things they do.

humphly 3y ago

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goosedragons 3y ago

The article is less about Apple's grotesque restrictions on what you can do with your hardware via software (e.g., no emulators, etc.) and instead about Apple's grotesque restrictions regarding the parts you can use to fix your phone. I don't think too many people want the restaurant to have a say on what side they make to go with their leftovers from the previous day.

daft_pink 3y ago
But the reality is that no ones going to spend $100 to fix a 10 year old phone, when you can't get the security updates for it. Security updates cost money and programmers and the reality is that Apple is the best at security updates, but no one is really concerned about how to repair an iPhone in 10 years, because an iPhone is only realistically usable until the security updates run out.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago

I go to high end restaurants, the Michelin being the only north star I rely on in the day and age of fake reviews and terrible average consumer taste. Sure, I want the restaurant to control the initial offer, and at this price I expect it to be amazing. But I guarantee that at this price range, they will let me do what I want with my food. I can bring my own bottle of ketchup and put it on it. They will look disgusted, but I can. In fact, as a vegetarian, it's not rare I ask them to adapt their ENTIRE menu just for little me. And they do it. So the comparison does not hold. But I get your point, a lot of people do want Apple to tell them how they should use their device. That's something that is hard to swallow when you like FOSS, but it's a reality.

pierat 3y ago

Wow, such a ridiculous HN take. A top notch restaurant does not keep or retain ownership of your stomach, bowels, or shit after eating at their restaurant. Apple "sells" hardware in a completely fraudulent way, by retaining control as a rental or lease, but advertises it as a sale. You can play whatever word games and bad analogies, and they're not even wrong.

swasheck 3y ago
it’s more appropriate than you’re allowing it to be. your extension of the metaphor loses sight of the topic. the duration of the controlled experience of a meal is definitely shorter than the duration of phone ownership and so if you want to attack the metaphor based on duration and utility of the experience then that would be far more congruent
- pierat 3y ago
  No, again some garbage analogy is not even wrong. I buy hardware and pay money for a purchase. This purchase has remote control software that obeys the company, and not me, the owner. I cannot remove this remote control garbage. This makes the device a rental on the approval of Apple, and not myself, the legal owner. If I were to do this, I would be charged with felony hacking under CFAA and similar statutes.... But Apple sycophants defend these egregious behaviors.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    > sycophants argument discarded for incivility why is this so absolutely normalized? every single android user seems to have this dripping hatred for half of the population, and only waits for the perceived “proper company” to let the mask drop. Why is that so utterly normalized for android users? Obviously the fact that it’s normalized is self-reinforcing, people do it because they see other people doing it and it’s routinely allowed and tolerated. I will probably get my knuckles rapped more for saying this than you are for open bigotry. Over, I remind you, a fucking cellphone. You’re a bigot because other people chose a different cellular telephone. What a silly thing. Every single phone discussion has to have someone doing the “brainless apple sheep” or “people just buy for blue bubbles!” or “mindless apple sycophants!” routines. Every one. Even on hacker news of all places, where absolutely everyone has a very technical interest in this stuff, and good reasons for picking the things they do.