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This is SO WEIRD. I've seen this happen so many times around these discussions on HN: There is a valid argument in the source. There is discussion around the

This is SO WEIRD. I've seen this happen so many times around these discussions on HN: There is a valid argument in the source. There is discussion around the argument. There is some proof, there are political discussions. Etc. everything totally normal. But then there is this ONE comment. Usually just one: Anecdotal evidence to spread FUD. And it's up above all that usually discussion. Where is this coming from? Is this natural behavior of people who are also afraid of the freedom to be able to buy parts elsewhere? Is this advertising?

jqpabc123 3y ago
Where is this coming from? My theory --- people have some sort of natural affinity toward cults. Even when it is counter to their own best interests. And Apple is approaching cult status.
hotnfresh 3y ago
Nah, it’s the kind of experiences you expect in a low-regulation market. You either pay a premium—beyond what would be justified if “defector” manufacturers and vendors weren’t a factor, i.e. if effectively-enforced regulations were mandating a higher quality floor—to a vendor with a good reputation you expect them to want to maintain, or you pay in expertise and time-cost. If you don’t pay in one of those two ways, you probably get screwed. Folks who already possess relevant expertise and have a hobby that looks a lot like the time-cost it takes to achieve the best measured-in-currency outcome in the above, may regard the situation as entirely fine. Folks with enough money not to care that simply paying for a decent product is priced above where it “should” be, also may not care. Everyone else just has to live with a bad situation, and sometimes people who’ve run into that post on HN.
- Krasnol 3y ago
  > Nah, it’s the kind of experiences you expect in a low-regulation market. Nah, it's not. The market for Android devices has been there for years and it works. Sure, you can be screwed over, like in everything in life, but it's not such a common thing that it would make it an equally relevant argument against liberalization. I agree, though: people who can afford premium won't bother. Neither with alternative ways nor with people who can't afford premium. Maybe it's even intended to keep the brand somehow exclusive and special...sad world.
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    > Nah, it's not. It’s what I’d expect, because that’s how most markets look to me—pay in time, overpay in money, or probably get crap—but perhaps experiences vary.
    - Krasnol 3y ago
      In the fix-it market, you only not overpay. The rest is the usual price for parts and work. Like every normal service, too. No reason to deliver crap, as you want to have the customer recommend you and come back again if they have another issue. Since there are enough alternatives, you have to deliver.
- jwells89 3y ago
  It’s a bit surprising to me how little regulation there is concerning the quality of replacement electronics parts, especially those that handle power (battery, power delivery) which can be very dangerous when the wrong corners are cut.
bandyaboot 3y ago
> Is this natural behavior of people who are also afraid of the freedom to be able to buy parts elsewhere? No…I doubt that’s it.

jqpabc123 3y ago

Where is this coming from? My theory --- people have some sort of natural affinity toward cults. Even when it is counter to their own best interests. And Apple is approaching cult status.

hotnfresh 3y ago

Nah, it’s the kind of experiences you expect in a low-regulation market. You either pay a premium—beyond what would be justified if “defector” manufacturers and vendors weren’t a factor, i.e. if effectively-enforced regulations were mandating a higher quality floor—to a vendor with a good reputation you expect them to want to maintain, or you pay in expertise and time-cost. If you don’t pay in one of those two ways, you probably get screwed. Folks who already possess relevant expertise and have a hobby that looks a lot like the time-cost it takes to achieve the best measured-in-currency outcome in the above, may regard the situation as entirely fine. Folks with enough money not to care that simply paying for a decent product is priced above where it “should” be, also may not care. Everyone else just has to live with a bad situation, and sometimes people who’ve run into that post on HN.

Krasnol 3y ago
> Nah, it’s the kind of experiences you expect in a low-regulation market. Nah, it's not. The market for Android devices has been there for years and it works. Sure, you can be screwed over, like in everything in life, but it's not such a common thing that it would make it an equally relevant argument against liberalization. I agree, though: people who can afford premium won't bother. Neither with alternative ways nor with people who can't afford premium. Maybe it's even intended to keep the brand somehow exclusive and special...sad world.
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  > Nah, it's not. It’s what I’d expect, because that’s how most markets look to me—pay in time, overpay in money, or probably get crap—but perhaps experiences vary.
  - Krasnol 3y ago
    In the fix-it market, you only not overpay. The rest is the usual price for parts and work. Like every normal service, too. No reason to deliver crap, as you want to have the customer recommend you and come back again if they have another issue. Since there are enough alternatives, you have to deliver.
jwells89 3y ago
It’s a bit surprising to me how little regulation there is concerning the quality of replacement electronics parts, especially those that handle power (battery, power delivery) which can be very dangerous when the wrong corners are cut.

bandyaboot 3y ago

> Is this natural behavior of people who are also afraid of the freedom to be able to buy parts elsewhere? No…I doubt that’s it.