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Apple's hardware -- especially the M-series processors -- has been excellent lately. On the software side, it feels to me like there's been a large falloff in q

Apple's hardware -- especially the M-series processors -- has been excellent lately. On the software side, it feels to me like there's been a large falloff in quality. This story is a good example of that, and I'd really love if we could get a release of macOS that focuses on bug fixes.

avidphantasm 3y ago
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- helf 3y ago
  Ferengi.. lol that made me chuckle.
- karmakaze 3y ago
  Had to look that one up: "Craig Federighi"
- thowaway91234 3y ago
  > Craig Ferengi is too busy massaging his own ears FTFY
microtonal 3y ago
I have seen this kind of comment on the web since I switched to macOS in 2007. There were some very bad years, when Apple apparently thought that iPad was the future of computing. But the all the Apple Silicon releases have been rock-solid for me. Seems like there were some missteps with introducing the M3, but macOS on existing hardware has been pretty good for me. (Before someone starts about Snow Leopard, the early Snow Leopard releases were also pretty buggy, only near the end of the release cycle did it get good.)
- mlyle 3y ago
  Rock-solid is a little far-- I've not been free of weirdness on M1 Max. But overall I agree-- things feel like they've been better than the vast majority of my tenure on MacOS ("X", all the way back to the original "Mac OS X Server" in 1999). I don't update to new major releases immediately if I can help it, though.
- lapcat 3y ago
  > Before someone starts about Snow Leopard, the early Snow Leopard releases were also pretty buggy, only near the end of the release cycle did it get good. This is one of the most misunderstood things about software releases. It's an iron law: major software updates always introduce more bugs than they fix. What you need is a lot of minor bug fix updates between the major updates, and Snow Leopard had about 2 years of bug fixes releases. What people remember fondly is not Mac OS X 10.6.0 but rather 10.6.8 v1.1. Apple's annual major release schedule is just too rapid to leave any time to fix bugs. They need to go back to 2 years or more between major releases.
- troupo 3y ago
  > but macOS on existing hardware has been pretty good for me. If you don't count all the shitty Catalyst and Swift UI first party apps. If you don't count things like even switching keyboard layouts is a second-long animation that swallows keystrokes. If you don't count things like this: https://twitter.com/krzyzanowskim/status/1707684940337283563 https://twitter.com/krzyzanowskim/status/1707684940337283563 or this: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/05/12/the-apple-services-experience-is-not-good-enough/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/05/12/the-apple-services-experi... or this: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/12/27/ventura-issues/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/12/27/ventura-issues/ or...
  - dave4420 3y ago
    Another one: Switching between full screen windows doesn’t swallow keystrokes as such, but sends them to the window you’re switching away from, instead of to the window you’re switching to, while the animation completes. Highly annoying.
- kraig911 3y ago
  This I think toes up to that saying - we've always done things this way so we'll continue to, even since OS X came out. These yearly releases are kind of drab for OS X I think. I want a huge focus on integration between my devices, I wish they'd go all in in icloud and make it where my stuff is just whatever device i'm on. Almost like how good they've made Bluetooth work on my airpod pro's work on whatever device I'm using.
  - ed 3y ago
    i don’t expect much investment in iCloud since the trend (like it or not) is for cloud services to manage our data instead

avidphantasm 3y ago

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helf 3y ago
Ferengi.. lol that made me chuckle.
karmakaze 3y ago
Had to look that one up: "Craig Federighi"
thowaway91234 3y ago
> Craig Ferengi is too busy massaging his own ears FTFY

microtonal 3y ago

I have seen this kind of comment on the web since I switched to macOS in 2007. There were some very bad years, when Apple apparently thought that iPad was the future of computing. But the all the Apple Silicon releases have been rock-solid for me. Seems like there were some missteps with introducing the M3, but macOS on existing hardware has been pretty good for me. (Before someone starts about Snow Leopard, the early Snow Leopard releases were also pretty buggy, only near the end of the release cycle did it get good.)

mlyle 3y ago
Rock-solid is a little far-- I've not been free of weirdness on M1 Max. But overall I agree-- things feel like they've been better than the vast majority of my tenure on MacOS ("X", all the way back to the original "Mac OS X Server" in 1999). I don't update to new major releases immediately if I can help it, though.
lapcat 3y ago
> Before someone starts about Snow Leopard, the early Snow Leopard releases were also pretty buggy, only near the end of the release cycle did it get good. This is one of the most misunderstood things about software releases. It's an iron law: major software updates always introduce more bugs than they fix. What you need is a lot of minor bug fix updates between the major updates, and Snow Leopard had about 2 years of bug fixes releases. What people remember fondly is not Mac OS X 10.6.0 but rather 10.6.8 v1.1. Apple's annual major release schedule is just too rapid to leave any time to fix bugs. They need to go back to 2 years or more between major releases.
troupo 3y ago
> but macOS on existing hardware has been pretty good for me. If you don't count all the shitty Catalyst and Swift UI first party apps. If you don't count things like even switching keyboard layouts is a second-long animation that swallows keystrokes. If you don't count things like this: https://twitter.com/krzyzanowskim/status/1707684940337283563 https://twitter.com/krzyzanowskim/status/1707684940337283563 or this: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/05/12/the-apple-services-experience-is-not-good-enough/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/05/12/the-apple-services-experi... or this: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/12/27/ventura-issues/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2022/12/27/ventura-issues/ or...
- dave4420 3y ago
  Another one: Switching between full screen windows doesn’t swallow keystrokes as such, but sends them to the window you’re switching away from, instead of to the window you’re switching to, while the animation completes. Highly annoying.
kraig911 3y ago
This I think toes up to that saying - we've always done things this way so we'll continue to, even since OS X came out. These yearly releases are kind of drab for OS X I think. I want a huge focus on integration between my devices, I wish they'd go all in in icloud and make it where my stuff is just whatever device i'm on. Almost like how good they've made Bluetooth work on my airpod pro's work on whatever device I'm using.
- ed 3y ago
  i don’t expect much investment in iCloud since the trend (like it or not) is for cloud services to manage our data instead