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Was there not a huge archeological effort by people all over the place to resurrect old backups and older servers so that the news archive could be complete? Lo

• dn3500 3y ago
  Yes, the UTZOO Wiseman Usenet Archive. It was on IA for a while but has been forced underground for legal reasons. You can still find copies pretty easily. https://archive.org/details/utzoo-wiseman-usenet-archive https://archive.org/details/utzoo-wiseman-usenet-archive
  • rwmj 3y ago
    Is there a Torrent of that somewhere so we can keep it alive?
    • logifail 3y ago
      There's a .torrent file listed under https://archive.org/download/utzoo-wiseman-usenet-archive/ https://archive.org/download/utzoo-wiseman-usenet-archive/ but I've not [yet] looked at it...
      • IAmNotACellist 3y ago
        Unfortunately that only contains the index ('listing.txt') and not the content
      • golem14 3y ago
        """ In 2020 after sustained legal demands requesting a set of messages within the Usenet Archive be redacted, and to avoid further costs and accusations of manipulation should those demands be met, the archive has been removed from this URL and is not currently accessible to the public. Included in this item is a file listing and the md5 sums of the removed files, for the use of others in verifying they have original materials. """
    • deleted 3y ago
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    • qingcharles 3y ago
      Magnet link here.. I just tested it and downloaded the whole 1.6GB in about 2 seconds: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_archives_have_been_removed_from_archiveorg/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_a...
    • qingcharles 3y ago
      Here's a search engine for the archive: https://altavista.superglobalmegacorp.com/altavista https://altavista.superglobalmegacorp.com/altavista
  • generationP 3y ago
    Do we know what messages were the bone of contention? Don't tell me this isn't common knowledge among dozens of people at least...
    • qingcharles 3y ago
      https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_archives_have_been_removed_from_archiveorg/g05mq9u/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_a...
      • generationP 3y ago
        Yep, but that's begging the question :)
  • Shorel 3y ago
    Which legal reasons? Is there a monopoly over Usenet archives, or is it someone arguing about their own posts only? I would believe it is wrong for someone to have copyright over what's basically distributed public forums.
    • qingcharles 3y ago
      https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_archives_have_been_removed_from_archiveorg/g05mq9u/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_a...
      • Shorel 3y ago
        This is sad. Also, that's how the law works :/
  • qingcharles 3y ago
    Reason for removal in case anyone was wondering: https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_archives_have_been_removed_from_archiveorg/g05mq9u/ https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/i2btuu/utzoo_a...
    • crazygringo 3y ago
      I'm fascinated by the idea that you could try to take down your own Usenet posts based on the idea that you have copyright over them. Surely there must be some law or legal precedent that in the act of posting to a public forum, you inherently "license" that content to be freely reproduced, at a minimum for non-commercial purposes as part of distribution in the context of the forum? (But nobody can correct your posts and sell them as a book though.) I'm wondering if IA gave up because they thought they would lose, or it would be too expensive to go to court in the first place.
      • londons_explore 3y ago
        Most interpretations of the GDPR in Europe allow anyone to remove/anonymize anything they have written and published online.
      • rikroots 3y ago
        > I'm fascinated by the idea that you could try to take down your own Usenet posts based on the idea that you have copyright over them. One does not simply walk into the Poetry newsgroups. Their strophes are guarded by more than just X-No-Archive message headers. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the grey-locked troll hunters are ever watchful ...
      • qingcharles 3y ago
        I actually gave this advice to a woman recently who was trying to get her images removed from Reddit. They weren't sexual enough for Reddit to remove the images her ex was posting, so I told her to just DMCA them all. Not ideal, but there you have it.