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and google continues their efforts to convince me to never rely on one of their products :-/

by fifticon 3y ago

rjgonza 3y ago
How come, is dejanews.com being gone due to some failure of/at Google groups?
- tonyedgecombe 3y ago
  Google owned dejanews.com
atomicfiredoll 3y ago
In the last year or so they sold Domains from underneath without warning. They also apparently changed the settings on two older Gmail accounts to make them inaccessible. I kept those accounts around because they had a maiden name and other services tied to them, I know for a fact at least one of them has an alternative contact email. There's no information on recovery and no way to contact anybody. Maybe it's just timing, but, it feels like in the last year or so, things have especially been going downhill with them and there have been more Google related fires to fight. As a result, I've moved my team off Workspaces and I'm winding down that Google org. And no, Google, I'm not signing up for YouTube Premium. I previously thought things were decoupled decently from Google and enough fallbacks were in place, but now I see the company as a clear risk and am doing everything I can to avoid it.
- yetanotherloss 3y ago
  Out of curiosity what are you moving to? Ended up moving to gsuite because it was relatively stable some years ago until the domains thing but hasn't boiled over into a problem I needed to deal with imminently.
jsnell 3y ago
Were you actually affected by this somehow? Because, you know, this page had been nothing but a redirect to Google Groups for 22 years. That seems plenty of time for people to update their bookmarks. If you weren't affected, this doesn't really sound like an argument made in good faith.
- ketchupdog 3y ago
  Fortunately, the person you were responding to wasn't making a bad faith argument, or even arguing at all, but was rather expressing a common opinion based on anticipating entirely predictable behavior.
  - jsnell 3y ago
    Why would that be any better? You still seem to be saying that comment had nothing to do with the submission, and is something commonly on HN. In fact so often that one can easily predict that it'll be spammed to any post about Google. Something predictable and boring is not the good kind of HN comment. It's an even worse comment when nothing was killed in this instance as far as I can tell. The headline is just a total fabrication. Nothing had been hosted on that URL for 22 years except a 302 redirect. The archive is just as functional (or non-functional) as it had been for the last two decades. But maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe something did use to work for the OP and was broken recently.
squarefoot 3y ago
Regarding Usenet, I was convinced to never trust Google anymore the day they removed the discussion search filter from the search engine, which happened roughly 10 years ago. Before that date one could search for people discussing products or services, while after that day one would be inundated by a pile of pages selling those products or services. They first removed the filter from the main page, but kept it reachable through the search URL, then completely removed the functionality, although people were already complaining. It wouldn't cost them a dime to keep it; that was a deliberate move to direct users searches from community forums to commercial pages. https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-filters-gone-17993.html https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-filters-gone-1799...

and google continues their efforts to convince me to never rely on one of their products :-/

rjgonza 3y ago

How come, is dejanews.com being gone due to some failure of/at Google groups?

tonyedgecombe 3y ago
Google owned dejanews.com

atomicfiredoll 3y ago

In the last year or so they sold Domains from underneath without warning. They also apparently changed the settings on two older Gmail accounts to make them inaccessible. I kept those accounts around because they had a maiden name and other services tied to them, I know for a fact at least one of them has an alternative contact email. There's no information on recovery and no way to contact anybody. Maybe it's just timing, but, it feels like in the last year or so, things have especially been going downhill with them and there have been more Google related fires to fight. As a result, I've moved my team off Workspaces and I'm winding down that Google org. And no, Google, I'm not signing up for YouTube Premium. I previously thought things were decoupled decently from Google and enough fallbacks were in place, but now I see the company as a clear risk and am doing everything I can to avoid it.

yetanotherloss 3y ago
Out of curiosity what are you moving to? Ended up moving to gsuite because it was relatively stable some years ago until the domains thing but hasn't boiled over into a problem I needed to deal with imminently.

jsnell 3y ago

Were you actually affected by this somehow? Because, you know, this page had been nothing but a redirect to Google Groups for 22 years. That seems plenty of time for people to update their bookmarks. If you weren't affected, this doesn't really sound like an argument made in good faith.

ketchupdog 3y ago
Fortunately, the person you were responding to wasn't making a bad faith argument, or even arguing at all, but was rather expressing a common opinion based on anticipating entirely predictable behavior.
- jsnell 3y ago
  Why would that be any better? You still seem to be saying that comment had nothing to do with the submission, and is something commonly on HN. In fact so often that one can easily predict that it'll be spammed to any post about Google. Something predictable and boring is not the good kind of HN comment. It's an even worse comment when nothing was killed in this instance as far as I can tell. The headline is just a total fabrication. Nothing had been hosted on that URL for 22 years except a 302 redirect. The archive is just as functional (or non-functional) as it had been for the last two decades. But maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe something did use to work for the OP and was broken recently.

squarefoot 3y ago

Regarding Usenet, I was convinced to never trust Google anymore the day they removed the discussion search filter from the search engine, which happened roughly 10 years ago. Before that date one could search for people discussing products or services, while after that day one would be inundated by a pile of pages selling those products or services. They first removed the filter from the main page, but kept it reachable through the search URL, then completely removed the functionality, although people were already complaining. It wouldn't cost them a dime to keep it; that was a deliberate move to direct users searches from community forums to commercial pages. https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-filters-gone-17993.html https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-filters-gone-1799...