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I find this unconvincing. FTA: “More than 150 years ago, the economist and philosopher William Stanley Jevons discovered something curious about the number 4.
by Someone 3y ago
I find this unconvincing. FTA:
“More than 150 years ago, the economist and philosopher William Stanley Jevons discovered something curious about the number 4. While musing about how the mind conceives of numbers, he tossed a handful of black beans into a cardboard box. Then, after a fleeting glance, he guessed how many there were, before counting them to record the true value. After more than 1,000 trials, he saw a clear pattern. When there were four or fewer beans in the box, he always guessed the right number. But for five beans or more, his quick estimations were often incorrect.”
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“For example, some neurons are tuned to the number 3. When they’re presented with three objects, they fire more. Other neurons are tuned to the number 5 and fire when presented with five objects, and so on. These neurons aren’t exclusively committed to their favorites: They also fire for numbers adjacent to it. (So the neuron tuned to 5 also fires for four and six objects.) But they don’t do it as often, and as the presented number gets farther away from the preferred number, the neurons’ firing rate decreases”
So, the experiment was about integers, not numbers in general, and the neurons don’t necessarily encode integers, but also could encode reals with noise/uncertainty.
I think the latter decently describes the experimental data if the noise/uncertainty is around 20% of the value. Rounding such a signal to integers will be faultless for n < 4, and get increasingly worse the larger n is.
In pseudocode:
Round(n * (1 + gaussianRandom())) == n
for small n, but not for larger n.
To support a claim that we’re better at smaller integers, I think you’d have to show that the standard deviation for larger n goes up superlinearly.
(An alternative way to phrase this is by claiming that these cells encode logarithms of numbers)
- ahoho 3y agoThis was exactly my undergrad research topic! My knowledge is a bit out of date (perhaps this is in TFA), but the running theory is that there are two number systems. The first operates noiselessly and immediately for numbers under 4. The second works in the exact way you are describing, where the magnitude of errors are linear in the size of the set (the “analog magnitude” system). As I recall, there is substantial evidence supporting the idea of two separate systems rather than one. I don’t really follow your point about integers. We know the brain does object detection at a low level, so it makes sense that the number systems will operate over countable elements.
- pixl97 3y agoI was watching a NOVA episode about the human mind recently, and in the episode they were showing that the eyes only have a very limited 'high bandwidth' optical viewing area. Anything outside of this high bandwidth area has to be committed to memory. I wonder if anyone has researched if that corresponds with our ability to count.
- bee_rider 3y agoI think this is a near-universal experience among people who’ve played a lot of Risk, but did everyone else collect their little dudes into units of 5, and then collect those up into further collections of five five-unit-squads? After that, 125 units is too many to really be necessary at once.
- Aerbil313 3y agoThere are arena in the brain which encode integers up to <small number I forgot>. Alex’s Adventures In Numberland was a fascinating book.