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The fixes for 68k-based NeXT systems are included now, the port was broken since 5.2.3: “next68k: Many fixes to get the port working again.” Thanks a lot to I

The fixes for 68k-based NeXT systems are included now, the port was broken since 5.2.3: “next68k: Many fixes to get the port working again.” Thanks a lot to Izumi Tsutsui and Andreas Grabher for their work on the NetBSD port and the previous black hardware emulator!

rollcat 3y ago
With all due respect to NetBSD (it's a fantastic system), I think this accurately highlights the difference with OpenBSD. The latter project builds every release of every architecture on actual physical hardware; if the build breaks, it's treated as a symptom of a more serious issue. OpenBSD dropped the VAX port a few years ago, because the builder machine physically died, and it was decided it was impractical to source a new one.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  How many platforms do they each support?
  - sillywalk 3y ago
    Supported is a relative term. Current OpenBSD Platforms [0]: alpha amd64 arm64 armv7 hppa i386 landisk loongson luna88k macppc octeon powerpc64 riscv64 + ~20 retired platforms OpenBSD 7.4 pre-built packages for each architecture: aarch64: 11508 amd64: 11845 arm: 7705 i386: 10603 mips64: 8995 powerpc: 9683 powerpc64: 8351 riscv64: 10170 sparc64: 8469 Current NetBSD Tier 1 Platforms [1]: aarch64 amd64 evbarm evbmips evbppc hpcarm i386 sparc64 xen [ "Currently there are 49 NetBSD ports with Tier II status" ] Don't know about NetBSD/pkgsrc software packages for each arch [0] https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html [1] http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/ http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/
    - idatum 3y ago
      For my RockPro64, I ran both OpenBSD 7.3 (haven't tried 7.4 yet) and both NetBSD 9.3 and 10_beta, and I found the NetBSD install process for both versions easier. In the end, I'm now on NetBSD 10 RC1 (just upgraded) and I'm happy. All of the important things work on NetBSD for this Aarch64 device.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      I thought NetBSD's purpose was to run on everything ?
      - sillywalk 3y ago
        From https://netbsd.org/about/ https://netbsd.org/about/ "The NetBSD Project's goals A project has no point if it doesn't have goals. Thankfully, the NetBSD Project has enough goals to keep it busy for quite some time. Generally speaking, the NetBSD Project: provides a well designed, stable, and fast BSD system, avoids encumbering licenses, provides a portable system, which runs on many hardware platforms, interoperates well with other systems, conforms to open systems standards as much as is practical.
- johndoe0815 3y ago
  We were also pretty surprised that the regressions (keyboard/mouse/SCSI were not working and there was an incorrect frame buffer address for some of the NeXT slab models) were introduced that long ago - NetBSD 5.2.3 was released on November 15, 2014. It took us quite some time to figure out that most of the bugs we observed when running NetBSD in the previous emulator were not bugs in the emulator but also showed up on real hardware...
- YPPH 3y ago
  I'm pretty much the NetBSD people focus on building to as many system architectures as possible (slogan: "of course it runs NetBSD!). OpenBSD is focused on system security. It's understandable why they take different approaches in this respect.
  - rollcat 3y ago
    > of course it runs NetBSD! That's my entire point - if the build has been broken for 9 years, does it actually run?
    - throw0101b 3y ago
      > That's my entire point - if the build has been broken for 9 years, does it actually run? It does now. :)

rollcat 3y ago

With all due respect to NetBSD (it's a fantastic system), I think this accurately highlights the difference with OpenBSD. The latter project builds every release of every architecture on actual physical hardware; if the build breaks, it's treated as a symptom of a more serious issue. OpenBSD dropped the VAX port a few years ago, because the builder machine physically died, and it was decided it was impractical to source a new one.

wolverine876 3y ago
How many platforms do they each support?
- sillywalk 3y ago
  Supported is a relative term. Current OpenBSD Platforms [0]: alpha amd64 arm64 armv7 hppa i386 landisk loongson luna88k macppc octeon powerpc64 riscv64 + ~20 retired platforms OpenBSD 7.4 pre-built packages for each architecture: aarch64: 11508 amd64: 11845 arm: 7705 i386: 10603 mips64: 8995 powerpc: 9683 powerpc64: 8351 riscv64: 10170 sparc64: 8469 Current NetBSD Tier 1 Platforms [1]: aarch64 amd64 evbarm evbmips evbppc hpcarm i386 sparc64 xen [ "Currently there are 49 NetBSD ports with Tier II status" ] Don't know about NetBSD/pkgsrc software packages for each arch [0] https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html [1] http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/ http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/
  - idatum 3y ago
    For my RockPro64, I ran both OpenBSD 7.3 (haven't tried 7.4 yet) and both NetBSD 9.3 and 10_beta, and I found the NetBSD install process for both versions easier. In the end, I'm now on NetBSD 10 RC1 (just upgraded) and I'm happy. All of the important things work on NetBSD for this Aarch64 device.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    I thought NetBSD's purpose was to run on everything ?
    - sillywalk 3y ago
      From https://netbsd.org/about/ https://netbsd.org/about/ "The NetBSD Project's goals A project has no point if it doesn't have goals. Thankfully, the NetBSD Project has enough goals to keep it busy for quite some time. Generally speaking, the NetBSD Project: provides a well designed, stable, and fast BSD system, avoids encumbering licenses, provides a portable system, which runs on many hardware platforms, interoperates well with other systems, conforms to open systems standards as much as is practical.
johndoe0815 3y ago
We were also pretty surprised that the regressions (keyboard/mouse/SCSI were not working and there was an incorrect frame buffer address for some of the NeXT slab models) were introduced that long ago - NetBSD 5.2.3 was released on November 15, 2014. It took us quite some time to figure out that most of the bugs we observed when running NetBSD in the previous emulator were not bugs in the emulator but also showed up on real hardware...
YPPH 3y ago
I'm pretty much the NetBSD people focus on building to as many system architectures as possible (slogan: "of course it runs NetBSD!). OpenBSD is focused on system security. It's understandable why they take different approaches in this respect.
- rollcat 3y ago
  > of course it runs NetBSD! That's my entire point - if the build has been broken for 9 years, does it actually run?
  - throw0101b 3y ago
    > That's my entire point - if the build has been broken for 9 years, does it actually run? It does now. :)