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I… what? OSX has been very keyboard friendly for as long as I can remember. Sonoma is buggier than previous versions, but you're been able use the keyboard to

I… what? OSX has been very keyboard friendly for as long as I can remember. Sonoma is buggier than previous versions, but you're been able use the keyboard to navigate most UI widgets except for the menus just as before.

Sakos 3y ago
What does that have to do with it? They're clearly going for the aesthetic without considerations for how users actually interact with it. It's likely they don't even know how what keyboard navigation is like on MacOS, because they don't use keyboard navigation.
abdusco 3y ago
It has no access keys (underlined letters in menus) which forces you to use touchpad
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  You can definitely navigate the menu bar with your keyboard, there's even a little search thing in there to search through the menu items.
- lelaurent 3y ago
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eviks 3y ago
> except for the menus just as before. that's a huge exception
- fragmede 3y ago
  it's not discoverable in the slightest, but if you hit fn-control-f2, you can access the menus via cursor keys instead of having to use the mouse
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    It's actually listed here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 And so is "open the help menu" which would take you right to the menu search widget, but that doesn't seem to work at all in Firefox or Electron apps.
  - eviks 3y ago
    Thanks for the tip, I'm aware of it, but it breaks the core benefit of Alt+X : guaranteed repeats, with fn-control-f2-F-Enter you can't be certain to open the File menu since there might be another menu starting with F Predictability is a core feature of UI design Anyway, personally I use a better alternative to fully recreate the Alt+X to open a menu via keyboard maestro, so I've sovled the issue for myself, but it still is a core Mac deficiency contrary to the "OSX has been very keyboard friendly" claim

Sakos 3y ago

What does that have to do with it? They're clearly going for the aesthetic without considerations for how users actually interact with it. It's likely they don't even know how what keyboard navigation is like on MacOS, because they don't use keyboard navigation.

abdusco 3y ago

It has no access keys (underlined letters in menus) which forces you to use touchpad

inferiorhuman 3y ago
You can definitely navigate the menu bar with your keyboard, there's even a little search thing in there to search through the menu items.
lelaurent 3y ago
[dead]

eviks 3y ago

> except for the menus just as before. that's a huge exception

fragmede 3y ago
it's not discoverable in the slightest, but if you hit fn-control-f2, you can access the menus via cursor keys instead of having to use the mouse
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  It's actually listed here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236 And so is "open the help menu" which would take you right to the menu search widget, but that doesn't seem to work at all in Firefox or Electron apps.
- eviks 3y ago
  Thanks for the tip, I'm aware of it, but it breaks the core benefit of Alt+X : guaranteed repeats, with fn-control-f2-F-Enter you can't be certain to open the File menu since there might be another menu starting with F Predictability is a core feature of UI design Anyway, personally I use a better alternative to fully recreate the Alt+X to open a menu via keyboard maestro, so I've sovled the issue for myself, but it still is a core Mac deficiency contrary to the "OSX has been very keyboard friendly" claim