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> Analogy doesn't make sense for people who use drugs recreationally because they need some sort of logic that justifies their own behavior and fits with their

> Analogy doesn't make sense for people who use drugs recreationally because they need some sort of logic that justifies their own behavior and fits with their morals as well. That is the only time the analogy doesn't make sense. Fun ad hominem. > I think the most effective way to win the drug war is to initiate vicious man hunts and executions on people who sell highly addictive and dangerous drugs. See Singapore. They did it effectively. No they didn't haha. All of the countries in east Asia have huge drug problems. Japan has incredibly strict drug laws and a horrible meth problem. In the last major outbreak, 2% of Japan was injecting meth intravenously. Drugs are available in Japan, [1] Singapore [2] and China [3]. Exacerbated by the criminalization. All aggressive prosecution does is push problems underground. We've tried it your way for like 52 years. Your way has filed. Time to try something new. [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8q7k/how-stigma-created-japans-hidden-drug-problem https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8q7k/how-stigma-created-ja... [2] https://www.thecabinsingapore.com.sg/blog/despite-tough-penalties-drug-abuse-in-singapore-is-still-on-the-increase/ https://www.thecabinsingapore.com.sg/blog/despite-tough-pena... [3] https://time.com/5530597/trump-china-drug-problem/ https://time.com/5530597/trump-china-drug-problem/

corethree 3y ago
I only said Singapore. I didn't mention Japan or China. In Japan, China and the US drug use is "illegal" not illegal. Note the quotation marks. In Singapore, drug use is illegal, not "illegal." Note, again, the quotation marks.
- vkou 3y ago
  Look, if you want to turn the United States into a utopia like Singapore, I'm all for it, but it's going to take a bit more than just making drugs illegal. Perhaps, we could start with nationalizing ~80% of the country's housing stock, requiring permits for which neighbourhood you are allowed to live in, having ethnic quotas for each region to enforce multiculturalism and harmony and common prosperity... Stable housing, and a stable, harmonous society, with many of your pressing concerns back-stopped by a benevolent autocracy are probably the reason Singapore has low rates of drug use. It's weird how the US right salivates over a very small, bloody subset of Singapore's social policies... While turning its nose at the ones that actually make it a successful state. It's almost like the cruelty, not the outcomes, are the point...
- arcticbull 3y ago
  And drugs are available all over Singapore, what's your point? Here's another article. Just google for it, there's a lot of content. [1, 2] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-singapore-drugs-idUSSIN13500420071210 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-singapore-drugs-idUSSIN13... [2] https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/drug-abuse-starts-young-study-2163081 https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/drug-abuse-starts-youn...
  - corethree 3y ago
    BS your information is just looking at relative change annually. Singapore's drug policies have plateaued. It's been in effect for decades you can't expect a drug policy that's been in place for decades have continues upward trends of lower and lower drug use, they will hit a limit. Any change you see now is just noise as they're basically at the peak of the amplitude for maximal change. And that's what you're basically googling. You need to look at relative illicit drug use by population percentage by country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/drug-use-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/drug-use-... Also think critically. You will be killed if you attempt to sell drugs there. Does it make sense that the policy is not effective? What the hell is going on? Don't be just a blind data scientist trying to scaffold the data to fit your view point. If the data doesn't fit the common sense then perhaps you're unconsciously manipulating the data to fit your view. Also one of your articles shows 0.7% of youths in Singapore have used drugs in the past year. Is that suppose to support your argument? Look up the amount of youths that use drugs in the US. I think the reported number is like 40%. Actual number is likely 70%.
    - arcticbull 3y ago
      So what I'm hearing is the executions haven't stopped drug use. > Also think critically. You will be killed if you attempt to sell drugs there. Does it make sense that the policy is not effective? What the hell is going on? Finally, we're on the same page.
      - corethree 3y ago
        >So what I'm hearing is the executions haven't stopped drug use. Did you not look at the data I sent you? Singapore has the lowest drug use among almost all countries. Not just a little low, but massively lower. The only countries better off then Singapore tend to be countries where the citizens can't afford drugs. What you heard is wrong. And the google results you sent me is cherry-picked data in service of the articles agenda. Did drug usage increase in Singapore in the last year? Is that a 0.1% increase to 0.7% from the year before while the US sits at 40% usage rate? Come on bro. >Finally, we're on the same page. No we're not on the same page at all. Or at least you're just not admitting it.

corethree 3y ago

I only said Singapore. I didn't mention Japan or China. In Japan, China and the US drug use is "illegal" not illegal. Note the quotation marks. In Singapore, drug use is illegal, not "illegal." Note, again, the quotation marks.

vkou 3y ago
Look, if you want to turn the United States into a utopia like Singapore, I'm all for it, but it's going to take a bit more than just making drugs illegal. Perhaps, we could start with nationalizing ~80% of the country's housing stock, requiring permits for which neighbourhood you are allowed to live in, having ethnic quotas for each region to enforce multiculturalism and harmony and common prosperity... Stable housing, and a stable, harmonous society, with many of your pressing concerns back-stopped by a benevolent autocracy are probably the reason Singapore has low rates of drug use. It's weird how the US right salivates over a very small, bloody subset of Singapore's social policies... While turning its nose at the ones that actually make it a successful state. It's almost like the cruelty, not the outcomes, are the point...
arcticbull 3y ago
And drugs are available all over Singapore, what's your point? Here's another article. Just google for it, there's a lot of content. [1, 2] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-singapore-drugs-idUSSIN13500420071210 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-singapore-drugs-idUSSIN13... [2] https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/drug-abuse-starts-young-study-2163081 https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/drug-abuse-starts-youn...
- corethree 3y ago
  BS your information is just looking at relative change annually. Singapore's drug policies have plateaued. It's been in effect for decades you can't expect a drug policy that's been in place for decades have continues upward trends of lower and lower drug use, they will hit a limit. Any change you see now is just noise as they're basically at the peak of the amplitude for maximal change. And that's what you're basically googling. You need to look at relative illicit drug use by population percentage by country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/drug-use-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/drug-use-... Also think critically. You will be killed if you attempt to sell drugs there. Does it make sense that the policy is not effective? What the hell is going on? Don't be just a blind data scientist trying to scaffold the data to fit your view point. If the data doesn't fit the common sense then perhaps you're unconsciously manipulating the data to fit your view. Also one of your articles shows 0.7% of youths in Singapore have used drugs in the past year. Is that suppose to support your argument? Look up the amount of youths that use drugs in the US. I think the reported number is like 40%. Actual number is likely 70%.
  - arcticbull 3y ago
    So what I'm hearing is the executions haven't stopped drug use. > Also think critically. You will be killed if you attempt to sell drugs there. Does it make sense that the policy is not effective? What the hell is going on? Finally, we're on the same page.
    - corethree 3y ago
      >So what I'm hearing is the executions haven't stopped drug use. Did you not look at the data I sent you? Singapore has the lowest drug use among almost all countries. Not just a little low, but massively lower. The only countries better off then Singapore tend to be countries where the citizens can't afford drugs. What you heard is wrong. And the google results you sent me is cherry-picked data in service of the articles agenda. Did drug usage increase in Singapore in the last year? Is that a 0.1% increase to 0.7% from the year before while the US sits at 40% usage rate? Come on bro. >Finally, we're on the same page. No we're not on the same page at all. Or at least you're just not admitting it.