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Tesla is probably simply trying to eliminate scalping. One per customer and no reselling is a common way to do so. I'm quite far from Tesla fanboyism, but this

Tesla is probably simply trying to eliminate scalping. One per customer and no reselling is a common way to do so. I'm quite far from Tesla fanboyism, but this seems reasonable to me.

uptown 3y ago
Do you not feel that you own the things you buy?
- gpm 3y ago
  I feel like I can buy things while agreeing to a contract that constrains what I do with them. Don't you?
  - huytersd 3y ago
    Absolutely not.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    You can, but then you don't actually own the thing.
    - sbuttgereit 3y ago
      Far too simplistic a sentiment. Try buying real estate, even something simple like residential. The last home I bought was 1) part of an HOA with a full set of restrictions and responsibilities; 2) the sales contract explicitly excluded mineral rights.... existing in a neighborhood which was known to have commercially viable oil reserves under the ground this wasn't surprising; and 3) had any number of easements for things like utility access and the like. And I assure you, other than the mineral rights exclusion which I did not own, we were in all ways treated by the law as owners. Absolutely others had certain rights which I agreed to at the time of sale: but ultimately I was the owner and if push came to shove I'd be treated as such by the law. My currently place isn't so dissimilar... save for any mention of mineral rights... though there are even more complex arrangements of common property co-operative ownership and management as I now live in a townhouse, in a complex of townhouses, built partially above a retail property.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        There is certainly nuance, but I do stand by my attitude here. In the case of a house, for instance, if I have a mortgage, or I'm part of an HOA, etc., then I don't own the property. At least, I'm not the sole owner. I'm sharing ownership with other people.
asylteltine 3y ago
Market dynamics and all that. If I buy a car, it’s mine and I can do whatever I want to it at my own consequence.
- butshouldyou 3y ago
  But should you? '"Market dynamics", shrug' is all too often used to excuse the bad parts of capitalism.
  - moate 3y ago
    Should you be able to freely buy things and sell things you own? Yes, you should and this is not an aspect of capitalism. Why would that not exist in a socialist or other economic system?
    - viro 3y ago
      Not you shouldn't be able hoard the supply of a thing and double its price. Don't play stupid like the intent of the purchase doesn't have consequences on your rights to sell an asset.
      - moate 3y ago
        I would like to to state a very specific thing: I’m both a socialist and fine with price gouging for tesla trucks, and I don’t feel that’s a hypocritical thought. Not all “things” are equal though. When we’re talking about materials required for living being hoarded, I’ll be right there with you. When luxury automobiles and tickets to Taylor Swift are the topic, I’m fine with the market deciding.
- postalrat 3y ago
  You CAN do whatever you want. And Tesla can choose to not sell to you in the future.
threeseed 3y ago
If they wanted to eliminate scalping then can just enforce purchase limits. This does not seem reasonable or legal at all.
- deleted 3y ago
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- gcanyon 3y ago
  Maybe a little less now, but at one point it seemed likely that initial purchasers of the cybertruck could immediately resell it for a $20k, maybe $30-50K profit. Thus it only takes one to highly incentivize people.
- LeafItAlone 3y ago
  That won’t eliminate scalping. Reduce, yes. But that won’t prevent people from scalping one at a time. Get some friends and family in on it and you can move a few (provided you all can get one while supplies are limited).
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Or do what GM is doing with the Z06, which is to offer the warranty only to the original purchaser for the first 6 months (IIRC).
somerandomqaguy 3y ago
If that was the case, wouldn't it be more reasonable just offer the vehicle only on one 1 year with 0% APR, but with restrictions (no early buy out, no third party sale) that would discourage scalping?
huytersd 3y ago
It’s unreasonable on principle.

Tesla is probably simply trying to eliminate scalping. One per customer and no reselling is a common way to do so. I'm quite far from Tesla fanboyism, but this seems reasonable to me.

uptown 3y ago

Do you not feel that you own the things you buy?

gpm 3y ago
I feel like I can buy things while agreeing to a contract that constrains what I do with them. Don't you?
- huytersd 3y ago
  Absolutely not.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  You can, but then you don't actually own the thing.
  - sbuttgereit 3y ago
    Far too simplistic a sentiment. Try buying real estate, even something simple like residential. The last home I bought was 1) part of an HOA with a full set of restrictions and responsibilities; 2) the sales contract explicitly excluded mineral rights.... existing in a neighborhood which was known to have commercially viable oil reserves under the ground this wasn't surprising; and 3) had any number of easements for things like utility access and the like. And I assure you, other than the mineral rights exclusion which I did not own, we were in all ways treated by the law as owners. Absolutely others had certain rights which I agreed to at the time of sale: but ultimately I was the owner and if push came to shove I'd be treated as such by the law. My currently place isn't so dissimilar... save for any mention of mineral rights... though there are even more complex arrangements of common property co-operative ownership and management as I now live in a townhouse, in a complex of townhouses, built partially above a retail property.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      There is certainly nuance, but I do stand by my attitude here. In the case of a house, for instance, if I have a mortgage, or I'm part of an HOA, etc., then I don't own the property. At least, I'm not the sole owner. I'm sharing ownership with other people.

asylteltine 3y ago

Market dynamics and all that. If I buy a car, it’s mine and I can do whatever I want to it at my own consequence.

butshouldyou 3y ago
But should you? '"Market dynamics", shrug' is all too often used to excuse the bad parts of capitalism.
- moate 3y ago
  Should you be able to freely buy things and sell things you own? Yes, you should and this is not an aspect of capitalism. Why would that not exist in a socialist or other economic system?
  - viro 3y ago
    Not you shouldn't be able hoard the supply of a thing and double its price. Don't play stupid like the intent of the purchase doesn't have consequences on your rights to sell an asset.
    - moate 3y ago
      I would like to to state a very specific thing: I’m both a socialist and fine with price gouging for tesla trucks, and I don’t feel that’s a hypocritical thought. Not all “things” are equal though. When we’re talking about materials required for living being hoarded, I’ll be right there with you. When luxury automobiles and tickets to Taylor Swift are the topic, I’m fine with the market deciding.
postalrat 3y ago
You CAN do whatever you want. And Tesla can choose to not sell to you in the future.

threeseed 3y ago

If they wanted to eliminate scalping then can just enforce purchase limits. This does not seem reasonable or legal at all.

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gcanyon 3y ago
Maybe a little less now, but at one point it seemed likely that initial purchasers of the cybertruck could immediately resell it for a $20k, maybe $30-50K profit. Thus it only takes one to highly incentivize people.
LeafItAlone 3y ago
That won’t eliminate scalping. Reduce, yes. But that won’t prevent people from scalping one at a time. Get some friends and family in on it and you can move a few (provided you all can get one while supplies are limited).
CamperBob2 3y ago
Or do what GM is doing with the Z06, which is to offer the warranty only to the original purchaser for the first 6 months (IIRC).

somerandomqaguy 3y ago

If that was the case, wouldn't it be more reasonable just offer the vehicle only on one 1 year with 0% APR, but with restrictions (no early buy out, no third party sale) that would discourage scalping?

huytersd 3y ago

It’s unreasonable on principle.