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How does it compare to Boeing, Lockheed, etc.?

likeabatterycar 3y ago
Boeing and Lockheed are union shops IIRC. Any major injuries like those mentioned in the article would mean a major shitstorm and stand-down.
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  The magic of unions, when it comes to safety, is that they let employees feel safe not just reporting safety issues, but outright rejecting unsafe requests. Even in union shops, unsafe directives are issued, against policy and law alike, but unlike non-union shops, workers in union shops know someone’s got their back if they call it out and/or say “no”.
- tekla 3y ago
  Well Boeing is unable to launch anything nor deliver on their end of Commercial Crew, so maybe they need a good excuse to not have to do anything for a while.
- Robotbeat 3y ago
  Boeing outsources a lot more because of that, leading to the time when the Starliner subcontractor had to get an amputation.
BlackjackCF 3y ago
From the article: > The 2022 injury rate at the company’s manufacturing-and-launch facility near Brownsville, Texas, was 4.8 injuries or illnesses per 100 workers – six times higher than the space-industry average of 0.8. So it doesn’t seem good…
- nickik 3y ago
  Space industry average is an utterly useless and idiotic thing used for comparison. Most of those companies make tiny sats, or things like small thrusters. Or even small sub-components. And even those that build larger things, build them at far smaller rates. SpaceX in Brownsville should be compared to things like manufacturing oil platforms or maybe wind power plants.
- inemesitaffia 3y ago
  It's not hard to find that SpaceX has an average injury rate
- Robotbeat 3y ago
  Doesnt the space industry average include mostly office work? Hardly seems fair to compare actual physical construction and ops work at a developmental test site to desk jobs.
stevehawk 3y ago
Well SpaceX launches rockets into space and the others don't so it seems unfair to compare right? :-P
- dylan604 3y ago
  damn, i mean, you're not wrong, but i'd hate to be the executive assistant to the execs when they read that. by hate, i mean it'd totally be awesome to see their reactions
- maximinus_thrax 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System Seems like others do as well.
wnevets 3y ago
The comparisons are in the article.

Boeing and Lockheed are union shops IIRC. Any major injuries like those mentioned in the article would mean a major shitstorm and stand-down.

hotnfresh 3y ago
The magic of unions, when it comes to safety, is that they let employees feel safe not just reporting safety issues, but outright rejecting unsafe requests. Even in union shops, unsafe directives are issued, against policy and law alike, but unlike non-union shops, workers in union shops know someone’s got their back if they call it out and/or say “no”.
tekla 3y ago
Well Boeing is unable to launch anything nor deliver on their end of Commercial Crew, so maybe they need a good excuse to not have to do anything for a while.
Robotbeat 3y ago
Boeing outsources a lot more because of that, leading to the time when the Starliner subcontractor had to get an amputation.

BlackjackCF 3y ago

From the article: > The 2022 injury rate at the company’s manufacturing-and-launch facility near Brownsville, Texas, was 4.8 injuries or illnesses per 100 workers – six times higher than the space-industry average of 0.8. So it doesn’t seem good…

nickik 3y ago
Space industry average is an utterly useless and idiotic thing used for comparison. Most of those companies make tiny sats, or things like small thrusters. Or even small sub-components. And even those that build larger things, build them at far smaller rates. SpaceX in Brownsville should be compared to things like manufacturing oil platforms or maybe wind power plants.
inemesitaffia 3y ago
It's not hard to find that SpaceX has an average injury rate
Robotbeat 3y ago
Doesnt the space industry average include mostly office work? Hardly seems fair to compare actual physical construction and ops work at a developmental test site to desk jobs.

stevehawk 3y ago

Well SpaceX launches rockets into space and the others don't so it seems unfair to compare right? :-P

dylan604 3y ago
damn, i mean, you're not wrong, but i'd hate to be the executive assistant to the execs when they read that. by hate, i mean it'd totally be awesome to see their reactions
maximinus_thrax 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System Seems like others do as well.

wnevets 3y ago

The comparisons are in the article.