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That reminds me of the Boulder startup weekend where they chose Java and didn't get anywhere.

by portLAN 19y ago

iamyoohoo 19y ago
Yep - learning from there. Not just that, I want to set expectations right from the beginning. I'm not against Java, but generally with such a short timeframe i dont want to have .NET, Java, PHP, Ruby etc. developers all together and have them figure out which to pick. This will not work best for the startup as every developer will have their preferences and rightly so. This is something that needs to be right now and the right expectations need to be set and also so we have the right talent from the outset, no time to learn language intricacies here and no matter how good of a developer you are, you cannot be at full potential with a language you are using for the first time within 3 days.
- portLAN 19y ago
  At a guess I would say most good developers will no longer willingly program in PHP, so you're likely selecting for the shallow end of the talent pool, more or less. Compound that with PHP essentially making it a sack-race next to other languages' ability to get out and run, and it's happy hour at Les Mediocres.
  - iamyoohoo 19y ago
    >> "At a guess I would say most good developers will no longer willingly program in PHP" -- Please explain? Personally, I don't have a big problem with it. Every language has its pluses and minuses. However, what language do you think most developers are interested in ? Also remember that this is not silicon valley. Also, if you have better ideas, I'm open to it. We need to pick a platform for sure and not to it like Boulder and get everyone there and disappoint some people and ask them to code in something they have never used before.
    - portLAN 19y ago
      Ruby has Rails and Python has multiple mature web frameworks (Django is one of them) and both are much nicer to program in than PHP. > However, what language do you think most developers are interested in ? Java or C#, which is why that consideration is orthogonal to your problem. > Also remember that this is not silicon valley. Apropos of --? As for the Boulder situation, my reading wasn't that nobody had used Java before, as you claim; but that "the Java platform" was the wrong choice for web development.

That reminds me of the Boulder startup weekend where they chose Java and didn't get anywhere.

by portLAN 19y ago

That reminds me of the Boulder startup weekend where they chose Java and didn't get anywhere.

Yep - learning from there. Not just that, I want to set expectations right from the beginning. I'm not against Java, but generally with such a short timeframe i dont want to have .NET, Java, PHP, Ruby etc. developers all together and have them figure out which to pick. This will not work best for the startup as every developer will have their preferences and rightly so. This is something that needs to be right now and the right expectations need to be set and also so we have the right talent from the outset, no time to learn language intricacies here and no matter how good of a developer you are, you cannot be at full potential with a language you are using for the first time within 3 days.

portLAN 19y ago
At a guess I would say most good developers will no longer willingly program in PHP, so you're likely selecting for the shallow end of the talent pool, more or less. Compound that with PHP essentially making it a sack-race next to other languages' ability to get out and run, and it's happy hour at Les Mediocres.
- iamyoohoo 19y ago
  >> "At a guess I would say most good developers will no longer willingly program in PHP" -- Please explain? Personally, I don't have a big problem with it. Every language has its pluses and minuses. However, what language do you think most developers are interested in ? Also remember that this is not silicon valley. Also, if you have better ideas, I'm open to it. We need to pick a platform for sure and not to it like Boulder and get everyone there and disappoint some people and ask them to code in something they have never used before.
  - portLAN 19y ago
    Ruby has Rails and Python has multiple mature web frameworks (Django is one of them) and both are much nicer to program in than PHP. > However, what language do you think most developers are interested in ? Java or C#, which is why that consideration is orthogonal to your problem. > Also remember that this is not silicon valley. Apropos of --? As for the Boulder situation, my reading wasn't that nobody had used Java before, as you claim; but that "the Java platform" was the wrong choice for web development.