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New Outlook sends passwords, mails and other data to Microsoft
- chrisbolt 3y agoDupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38219568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38219568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38217457 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38217457 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453
- neilv 3y agoDupe of a dupe, but worth everyone seeing (maybe during the workweek rather than 3-day holiday for some): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38219568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38219568
- what-no-tests 3y agoThe real question is: why are you using Outlook?
- unknownghost 3y agoA lot of people just use the defaults (OS, Browser, Email Client, etc.)
- mrweasel 3y agoThere isn't honestly that many email clients left. What do you suggest they use, Thunderbird,.. and what, The Bat? Outlook comes with Windows, it works. What in some sense has me worried is that even Microsoft doesn't really care about native applications anymore. It's rather hard to take a software company serious, when they don't even want to develop to their own native API. The whole thing is primarily a result of Outlook becoming a blood webapp. Is there honestly any reason why they couldn't bundle the real Outlook, the one they sell to businesses?
- joahua 3y agoAntitrust
- waihtis 3y agoLike 99% of enterprises do. It does make you wonder whether theres some hidden disruption opportunity for enterprise email, never given it any thought
- sp332 3y agoBecause it's absolutely fantastic.
- Al-Khwarizmi 3y agoFor the same reason I use Teams, it's what my workplace pretty much forces me to use. There were workarounds to redirect the mail to Gmail and manage everything from there instead, but they cracked down on them one after another. The last time I didn't manage to avoid it, so now I'm stuck with that piece of crap.
- olav 3y agoMy employer forces me to, why else?
- nottheengineer 3y agoThey sent out a warning to every single one of their users about this. It's that big of a deal. But unfortunately it's not as big a deal as microsoft's other fuckups.
- jonplackett 3y agoWhy do they get passwords by viewing your mailbox
- gpvos 3y agoThey get the password for your mailbox, and store it on their server (instead of locally on your own computer like with a local Outlook installation).
- jonplackett 3y agoAh I see. The way it was written seemed like they're getting all the stored passwords. That makes more sense.
- gpvos 3y agoAlso, they apparently store a copy of all your mails.
- CommieBobDole 3y agoThe new Outlook is just an Electron-style interface to a Microsoft webmail app - it's not an email client anymore. So if you want to get email from other providers, you give your credentials to the MS web app and it downloads and stores them on Microsoft's servers. It's not particularly different from other web email apps, the issue is Microsoft is changing models from email client to web app and they're not being very upfront about it.
- msp26 3y agoAlso, why's there a fucking ad on my emails list? What was wrong with the old mail program? It worked fine.
- ranting-moth 3y ago> What was wrong with the old mail program? Depends on who you ask. I guess "there were no ads on it" is an applicable answer from MS point of view.
- andirk 3y agoWhen companies get more extreme with attempts to increase ad revenue, it leads me to believe they're getting squeezed for profits and this is a last ditch effort. Similar to how this "extreme chocolate chunk" cookie has 1 chocolate chunk, not extreme https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/17sudbp/extreme_chocolate_chunk/ https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/17sudbp/extr... . And when companies all over are doing it at the same time feels like a "recession" or whatever is looming.
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- radium3d 3y agoOutlook is not an option. Microsoft is dropping the ball.
- coldtea 3y agoRather, if you're in a company that mandates Outlook, not using it is not an option.
- inquirerGeneral 3y ago[dead]
- autoexec 3y agoIt's insane that companies continue to trust Microsoft. They've been collecting data on every company's email and office documents for ages. They must have a massive amount of insight into the inner workings, goals, and plans of so many companies across so many industries that it's a wonder how MS itself is so poorly run.
- yetanother12345 3y agoMay I suggest, as a mental experiment only, that you consider for a moment that the business that they are in is not only Software but also Industrial Espionage. That ought to change your "poorly run" evaluation somewhat in a much more positive (?) direction... If you feel adventurous you could even apply this line of thought to many other very large multinational US-led "IT" companies. Maybe that would even give you an alternative perspective on why the EU (just to mention one random non-US entity) is getting, well, less cooperative, lately. Philosophically speaking it's an interesting path of thought, but to bring you back to real life of course there is no such thing. This is a thought experiment only. Of course no American company would ever even think about engaging in such activities, and if you ask any employee of said company (or any of their peers) they would have absolutely no knowledge of such activity and the mere thought is outrageous, of course. Down-votes anticipated, so this comment might not last long.
- sys_64738 3y agoMy company is all-in on everything for M$. It is truly horrifying to have all your trade secrets and security infrastructure on the servers of M$. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago[dupe] Most of the discussion here days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38212453