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As a former smoker I think you didn't fully read the article und understood author's and other's thesis that it is actually not the nicotine that makes for the
by throwbadubadu 3y ago
As a former smoker I think you didn't fully read the article und understood author's and other's thesis that it is actually not the nicotine that makes for the strong cigarette addiction.
- standardUser 3y agoThere is no such thing as a cigarette addiction. Nicotine is the addictive chemical in cigarettes. Yes, method of consumption matters, but if you regularly consume an addictive chemical you are at risk to develop an addiction to that chemical, regardless of method (though not necessarily regardless of quantity).
- nrclark 3y agoYou might be overlooking a chemical conditioning element. A smoker gets a dopamine hit every time they take a pull from their cigarette. The smell, the sizzle, and the routine - all become associated with a reward pathway. Nicotine is the chemical that causes this, but the addiction is far more than just nicotine alone.
- darkerside 3y agoExactly. What is the chemical element in a smartphone addiction? Or a pornography addiction? What a shortsighted and close minded comment (talking about parent).
- standardUser 3y agoAs I just said in another comment, the fact that people can maintain their nicotine addiction with vapes or patches or gum shows that the primary addictive substance is nicotine and it can be effectively addictive all by itself.
- dieselgate 3y agoDo you have personal experience with a nicotine or tobacco addiction? Many of us may agree that nicotine is the _primary_ addictive substance but there are other considerations. It's not one size fit all and everyone is an individual.
- throwbadubadu 3y agoNot really right.. but again you also either didn't read the article, didn't get the point, or strongly object it? (And also ignore authentic experiences other people give here)? Beyond nicotine, which is addictive yes, there is more in the cigarette cocktail (especially in nowadays highly optimized industrialized ones) that is also addictive. So there is such a thing as a cigarette addiction. Or in other words: Why do people only get little addicted and can easily stop chewing nicotin gums, while for only a small percentage of smokers it is possible to quit via the nicotin gum replacement? Or in even other words: Both coffeine and heroine are addictive, but we can agree that there are differences?
- standardUser 3y agoThird time I'm writing the same comment - nicotine addiction can be formed and sustained without tobacco. This is obvious.
- throwbadubadu 3y agoDefinitely, but that was neither questioned nor the point at all, shrug.
- bilsbie 3y agoYou seem pretty confident about this despite there being thousands of chemicals in cigarettes and presumably the companies being very interested in hooking their users.
- standardUser 3y agoLots of people manage nicotine addiction with the patch or gum or vapes. None of those contain the chemicals in tobacco, but all of them sustain the addiction.
- NobleLie 3y agoDo they?
- dageshi 3y agoSo I have some personal experience with nicotine in different formats. Cigars (not inhaled) and zyn packets you slip under your lip. My experience is that nicotine is highly addictive based on dosage and delivery. Cigars were in no way addictive, I suspect because the delivery of the nicotine takes quite a while. The zyn though, I quickly ramped up from low dosages (1-3mg) to the higest dosages (10mg+). And at my worst I'd go through a 20 pack of those per day. I tried quitting cold turkey multiple times from the zyn, failed each time. Tried slowly decreasing strength till I reached 3mg and then quit, that worked fine and was actually relatively easy. I still smoke cigars, they just don't trigger the same reactions that the zyn did.
- dieselgate 3y agoStrongly agree with the slow decrease method. One of the nice things about nicotine pouches/gum is they come pre-dosed so it's pretty simple in how to ramp down. Doing it is the tough part. For more fine grained decreases I've used the 3mg, then 2mg, then split up pieces of nicotine gum (2 or 4 mg) to get down to like 1 and .5 mg doses.
- dageshi 3y agoI actually quit over the course of a week. Going from 10mg+ pouches down to 9, 6, 3 and finally quit. Going from 3mg to no longer using was relatively straightforward. Trying to quit from 10mg cold turkey was basically impossible. 4 days after going cold turkey I was still absolutely desperate for nicotine. The difference was massive.