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> What alternative exists in countries without an ID system such as the US or UK? Rely on names, date of birth, place of birth? Conflicts are possible in big ci

> What alternative exists in countries without an ID system such as the US or UK? Rely on names, date of birth, place of birth? Conflicts are possible in big cities. Not everyone will have a driver's license. So yeah, it's quite easy to decide to use a unique number that everyone already has. The best alternative is the state ID. In every state you can get a state ID and/or a driver's license (which in almost all states is also a state ID). They contain a unique identifier and that identifier can be changed by the state if needed down the line. A federal ID standard would be nice of course but that's never going to happen due to some reasonable concerns (poor implementations resulting in loss of privacy) as well as some absolutely batshit insane ones (the ID system is the mark of the devil). I'd personally prefer that we establish a standard for a sane distributed trust federated ID system and then pressure the states into gradually adopting that rather than pushing it up to the federal level where it'll then get fucked up and everyone will be stuck with it forever.

Terretta 3y ago
> I'd personally prefer that we establish a standard for a sane distributed trust federated ID system and then pressure the states into gradually adopting that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act However: "... on April 27, 2020, the extended deadline after which identification documents would have to satisfy the Real ID Act standards to be accepted by federal agencies was again extended, by one year to October 1, 2021. On May 3, 2021, it was further extended to May 3, 2023, and on December 5, 2022, it was extended once more to May 7, 2025." But if there's a gold star on your federated state's driver's license, you have it.
- CuriousCosmic 3y ago
  That's actually exactly the opposite of what I was talking about. The Real ID act was an act of congress which was then passed down and the states were told to eventually adopt it. That's not the type of solution I'm talking about. I'm talking about having an independent standards organisation (hell even NIST) produce a standard that supports federation and gradual onboarding by states and territories and then having the states each adopt it until it becomes a defacto national standard without any congressional involvement beyond the federal government also agreeing to accept it. Real ID is a mess because it's not an ID system. It's really just an ID card system with a few other bits attached to address specific federal government concerns. That's not meaningfully useful for providing unique (and preferably privacy preserving) identifiers for companies, banks, and other non-government entities like what many european countries have.

Terretta 3y ago

> I'd personally prefer that we establish a standard for a sane distributed trust federated ID system and then pressure the states into gradually adopting that... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_ID_Act However: "... on April 27, 2020, the extended deadline after which identification documents would have to satisfy the Real ID Act standards to be accepted by federal agencies was again extended, by one year to October 1, 2021. On May 3, 2021, it was further extended to May 3, 2023, and on December 5, 2022, it was extended once more to May 7, 2025." But if there's a gold star on your federated state's driver's license, you have it.

CuriousCosmic 3y ago
That's actually exactly the opposite of what I was talking about. The Real ID act was an act of congress which was then passed down and the states were told to eventually adopt it. That's not the type of solution I'm talking about. I'm talking about having an independent standards organisation (hell even NIST) produce a standard that supports federation and gradual onboarding by states and territories and then having the states each adopt it until it becomes a defacto national standard without any congressional involvement beyond the federal government also agreeing to accept it. Real ID is a mess because it's not an ID system. It's really just an ID card system with a few other bits attached to address specific federal government concerns. That's not meaningfully useful for providing unique (and preferably privacy preserving) identifiers for companies, banks, and other non-government entities like what many european countries have.