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Users of DMT, or participants in the ayahuasca ceremony, often advocate for the drug because they claim that it really opens a portal to another dimension and g

Users of DMT, or participants in the ayahuasca ceremony, often advocate for the drug because they claim that it really opens a portal to another dimension and godlike beings there. The trip is very much the point, not mere vague benefits like neuroplasticity or developing more empathy. Indeed, I can imagine some DMT advocates claiming that an approach of applying psychedelics without inducing an actual trip, is the man's attempt to intentionally deprive people of contact with those extradimensional entities.

capableweb 3y ago
Yeah, hallucinations without the other effects of the psychedelic sounds sort of useless, unless used as a weapon, torture or something on people who don't realize it. Trips without heavy hallucinations are still useful, but hallucinations without the trip? Not sure what the point of that would be.
- smt88 3y ago
  The point is treatment of psychiatric illnesses like depression without the potential for upsetting hallucinations. Even SSRIs are now thought to work by inducing neuroplasticity, and they don't cause hallucinations either.
vore 3y ago
Just a small correction but you mean DMT: DHT is the hormone that causes hair loss.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Fixed, thanks.
- cgb223 3y ago
  Hey now, I take propecia to make sure those portals to the demon world stay _closed_
jvanderbot 3y ago
To clear up the dissonance, I interpret that "Side effect" does not mean "Unintended consequence" in this case, it means "Not the root cause of brain changes". Sure, I intended to trip, but the trip was caused by something deeper. As in: "The nice fuzzy warm feeling of sitting around a fire is a side effect of self-sustaining exothermic oxidization of organic volatiles in dried wood" Of course I made a fire for the warmth on my face / clothes. It's just the warmth I feel is a side effect of a deeper process where the heat sustains the reaction. It just so happens I'm around to harvest some of the waste heat.
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simbolit 3y ago
They are using it for another purpose - which is fine by me (tho usually not with LEO). If my psychiatrist gives me medicine supposed to deal with my mental health problems, I don't necessarily want contact with extradimensional entities, I want to get better. Different purposes. Some people drink beer to get drunk, some people drink alcohol-free beer for the taste. Same with decaf coffee.

capableweb 3y ago

Yeah, hallucinations without the other effects of the psychedelic sounds sort of useless, unless used as a weapon, torture or something on people who don't realize it. Trips without heavy hallucinations are still useful, but hallucinations without the trip? Not sure what the point of that would be.

smt88 3y ago
The point is treatment of psychiatric illnesses like depression without the potential for upsetting hallucinations. Even SSRIs are now thought to work by inducing neuroplasticity, and they don't cause hallucinations either.

vore 3y ago

Just a small correction but you mean DMT: DHT is the hormone that causes hair loss.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Fixed, thanks.
cgb223 3y ago
Hey now, I take propecia to make sure those portals to the demon world stay _closed_

jvanderbot 3y ago

To clear up the dissonance, I interpret that "Side effect" does not mean "Unintended consequence" in this case, it means "Not the root cause of brain changes". Sure, I intended to trip, but the trip was caused by something deeper. As in: "The nice fuzzy warm feeling of sitting around a fire is a side effect of self-sustaining exothermic oxidization of organic volatiles in dried wood" Of course I made a fire for the warmth on my face / clothes. It's just the warmth I feel is a side effect of a deeper process where the heat sustains the reaction. It just so happens I'm around to harvest some of the waste heat.

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simbolit 3y ago

They are using it for another purpose - which is fine by me (tho usually not with LEO). If my psychiatrist gives me medicine supposed to deal with my mental health problems, I don't necessarily want contact with extradimensional entities, I want to get better. Different purposes. Some people drink beer to get drunk, some people drink alcohol-free beer for the taste. Same with decaf coffee.