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Apple delaying the progress of "web" (or just another kind of app) is good for users. Because user don't need another OS between the host os and their apps. We

by larme 3y ago

Apple delaying the progress of "web" (or just another kind of app) is good for users. Because user don't need another OS between the host os and their apps. Web developers are so self-centered. You are developers, not users, don't speak like you are doing good things for users. You are just doing things for yourselves so you can extract money/data from your users. Most web developers nowadays are just enemy of web users.

clarifyingN 3y ago
> Apple delaying the progress of "web" (or just another kind of app) is good for users. Because user don't need another OS between the host os and their apps. It's categorically not good for the consumer. It's good for the small enterprise companies/upstarts that don't have the budget to keep iterating their software, which would otherwise be left in the dust quiet quickly. With apple holding it back, they've got a bigger timeframe in which their software doesn't behave as a legacy application, as everyone Else is forced to use subpar features too. From the users perspective it is - just as they said - worse, as things like codec support improve battery life and playback quality for example.
- larme 3y ago
  small enterprise companies/upstarts can design their apps more like the traditional dynamic web site. For 95% use case that's good enough. And for the rest 5% case that requires a heavy web "app", you will find out that it's usually not what a small company can do. It's more likely uber or starbuck or facebook or google or microsoft.
larme 3y ago
I'm surprised that this comment gets slightly more upvotes. I want to clarify one thing: I'm not saying apple is the good guy. Apple and google are 2 monster companies. As a user I want them to fight. That's the only way we can reduce the harm done by these monster companies. However web developers go one side: the google side. Reason? They can do half the work and get twice the money. What a gain! They sell the web to google for their dirty money.
jchw 3y ago
Yeah they're not doing what you think they are either. They're just making it worse, not preventing it from becoming horribly bloated. In fact, the WGSL thing unilaterally increased the complexity of an already-complex standard (and made it slower, since now it needs to lex/parse text for what could've been bytecode.) It'd be one thing if they took a stand against WebGPU, but no, it was some self-centered IP garbage as usual.

by larme 3y ago

clarifyingN 3y ago

> Apple delaying the progress of "web" (or just another kind of app) is good for users. Because user don't need another OS between the host os and their apps. It's categorically not good for the consumer. It's good for the small enterprise companies/upstarts that don't have the budget to keep iterating their software, which would otherwise be left in the dust quiet quickly. With apple holding it back, they've got a bigger timeframe in which their software doesn't behave as a legacy application, as everyone Else is forced to use subpar features too. From the users perspective it is - just as they said - worse, as things like codec support improve battery life and playback quality for example.

larme 3y ago
small enterprise companies/upstarts can design their apps more like the traditional dynamic web site. For 95% use case that's good enough. And for the rest 5% case that requires a heavy web "app", you will find out that it's usually not what a small company can do. It's more likely uber or starbuck or facebook or google or microsoft.

larme 3y ago

I'm surprised that this comment gets slightly more upvotes. I want to clarify one thing: I'm not saying apple is the good guy. Apple and google are 2 monster companies. As a user I want them to fight. That's the only way we can reduce the harm done by these monster companies. However web developers go one side: the google side. Reason? They can do half the work and get twice the money. What a gain! They sell the web to google for their dirty money.

jchw 3y ago

Yeah they're not doing what you think they are either. They're just making it worse, not preventing it from becoming horribly bloated. In fact, the WGSL thing unilaterally increased the complexity of an already-complex standard (and made it slower, since now it needs to lex/parse text for what could've been bytecode.) It'd be one thing if they took a stand against WebGPU, but no, it was some self-centered IP garbage as usual.