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I mean, don’t go to one if you’re susceptible to this sort of sales presentation. If you can withstand two hours of a pressure cooker, you can get an excellent

I mean, don’t go to one if you’re susceptible to this sort of sales presentation. If you can withstand two hours of a pressure cooker, you can get an excellent deal on a multi-night resort vacation.

gitfan86 3y ago
If someone is known to be a high pressure sales person that takes advantage of people I wouldn't expect them to actually follow through on the gift that was offered for staying
- mplewis 3y ago
  These places offer you a gift in a legally enforceable contract which is contingent on you attending a specific duration of the timeshare sales pitch.
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  It's really not that bad, I just tell them there is no way they are making a sale, that they made a mistake to ever let me come, and they let me go early.
  - trogdor 3y ago
    When I was much younger, my ex and I used to do this somewhat frequently. It always worked. Timeshare salespeople don’t want to waste their time trying to sell to someone who knows what’s up, came solely for the promotional gift, and is categorically not going to buy. Sometimes we had to refuse to play their numbers games, when they asked for our income so they could “show” us just how good a deal their crap was, but we never had to sit through a full presentation. We went on a fun, totally free cruise courtesy of one of those companies. Good times.
BeetleB 3y ago
> If you can withstand two hours of a pressure cooker, Big mistake. Don't assume it will be only two hours.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  The contract that gets you the gift will absolutely specify a minimum time you must spend there to earn it. Visibly set a timer, and when it goes off, get up and leave.
  - BeetleB 3y ago
    Ah fair. I've not gone to the timeshare pitches, but much smaller ones ("free dinner if you listen to our presentation on house heating"). Those tend to be informal - no contracts, etc. I did once pay to go to a 3-day RE workshop which turned out to be a sales pitch. And oh boy, when it comes to fantastic presentations, this was the best. They're basically trying to sign you up for mentorship at a cost of $35-50K, so I can see they've got money to make it fancy and hire top salesmen as well as entertainment equipment. It was basically a 3 day long show. If they'd made it a lot cheaper (e.g. $15K), I could see myself falling for it. Who doesn't want to get rich, and what they were offering was sound (except for the fact that most people who pay don't have the discipline to follow through on RE work). It wasn't very pushy, though. I had a brief 5-10 minute 1:1 with a rep. Perhaps he sensed dirty tactics wouldn't work for me? I did hear from another attendee that their meeting with (another) rep was worse - along the lines of "You're saying No. Do you want to be the type of person who always lets opportunities go by? When are you going to change to better yourself?" Had they said that to me I would have gotten up immediately. Although I was annoyed at being duped, I actually did learn quite a bit about RE in those 3 days. It was something like 35% real education and 65% sales pitch, with the education scattered in between throughout the 3 days. Of course, one could learn it all themselves. Plenty of cheap/free resources. However, there was value in having it all presented in one place.

gitfan86 3y ago

If someone is known to be a high pressure sales person that takes advantage of people I wouldn't expect them to actually follow through on the gift that was offered for staying

mplewis 3y ago
These places offer you a gift in a legally enforceable contract which is contingent on you attending a specific duration of the timeshare sales pitch.
birdyrooster 3y ago
It's really not that bad, I just tell them there is no way they are making a sale, that they made a mistake to ever let me come, and they let me go early.
- trogdor 3y ago
  When I was much younger, my ex and I used to do this somewhat frequently. It always worked. Timeshare salespeople don’t want to waste their time trying to sell to someone who knows what’s up, came solely for the promotional gift, and is categorically not going to buy. Sometimes we had to refuse to play their numbers games, when they asked for our income so they could “show” us just how good a deal their crap was, but we never had to sit through a full presentation. We went on a fun, totally free cruise courtesy of one of those companies. Good times.

BeetleB 3y ago

> If you can withstand two hours of a pressure cooker, Big mistake. Don't assume it will be only two hours.

ceejayoz 3y ago
The contract that gets you the gift will absolutely specify a minimum time you must spend there to earn it. Visibly set a timer, and when it goes off, get up and leave.
- BeetleB 3y ago
  Ah fair. I've not gone to the timeshare pitches, but much smaller ones ("free dinner if you listen to our presentation on house heating"). Those tend to be informal - no contracts, etc. I did once pay to go to a 3-day RE workshop which turned out to be a sales pitch. And oh boy, when it comes to fantastic presentations, this was the best. They're basically trying to sign you up for mentorship at a cost of $35-50K, so I can see they've got money to make it fancy and hire top salesmen as well as entertainment equipment. It was basically a 3 day long show. If they'd made it a lot cheaper (e.g. $15K), I could see myself falling for it. Who doesn't want to get rich, and what they were offering was sound (except for the fact that most people who pay don't have the discipline to follow through on RE work). It wasn't very pushy, though. I had a brief 5-10 minute 1:1 with a rep. Perhaps he sensed dirty tactics wouldn't work for me? I did hear from another attendee that their meeting with (another) rep was worse - along the lines of "You're saying No. Do you want to be the type of person who always lets opportunities go by? When are you going to change to better yourself?" Had they said that to me I would have gotten up immediately. Although I was annoyed at being duped, I actually did learn quite a bit about RE in those 3 days. It was something like 35% real education and 65% sales pitch, with the education scattered in between throughout the 3 days. Of course, one could learn it all themselves. Plenty of cheap/free resources. However, there was value in having it all presented in one place.