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Nicotine is just terrible for you. Smoking is linked to alzheimers and I watched my grandfather smoke his pipe and decline cognitively with that disease. Im n

Nicotine is just terrible for you. Smoking is linked to alzheimers and I watched my grandfather smoke his pipe and decline cognitively with that disease. Im not sure if its only proven from the toxins in smoke or the nicotine but I would assume constricting the blood vessels (with nicotine) leads to plaque buildup in the body and brain. Because of the vessel constriction is stops healing in the body as well all the way to your bones dealing with microfractures and remodeling. That said, Ill have the occasional cigar.

goodluckchuck 3y ago
You mean smoking is terrible for you. As the cited studies indicate, nicotine itself (delivered by patched / gum) is fairly harmless. Not completely risk free, but nothing at all like smoking.
- trident5000 3y ago
  No, I mean nicotine as I clearly indicated in my comment. It's not harmless and its ridiculous to think a drug that constricts the vessels and blood flow in your body would be so.
  - mijoharas 3y ago
    Like caffeine?
    - otabdeveloper4 3y ago
      Good thing I don't drink coffee.
    - trident5000 3y ago
      Is that a counterpoint? Pointing to something unrelated from the conversation. Maybe both arnt great for you?
      - hatsix 3y ago
        it's a great counterpoint, because they're is a lot of literature on the health effects of caffeine. > Maybe both aren't great for you? Maybe? You are the one making strong assertions about vasoconstrictors. Maybe you should take this opportunity to challenge your beliefs on this by digging into scientific literature. Also, "aren't great" is such a softening of your original opinion "just terrible". Why argue for your ignorance when there is actual scientific literature?
  - insanitybit 3y ago
    > It's not harmless and its ridiculous to think a drug that constricts the vessels and blood flow in your body would be so. Why? Because it increases blood pressure? That's a problem if it's chronic and severe, afaik a milk vasoconstrictive effect isn't going to kill you.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    > its ridiculous to think a drug that constricts the vessels and blood flow in your body would be [harmless] Without knowing more about human physiology, this physiological description is a boogeyman. Someone could describe the physiological effects of eating lettuce while making the same claim about said effect and it would be obvious to a layperson as nonsense only because they know the topic. It’s not ridiculous to think this is possibly harmless in certain contexts.
- steeleyespan 3y ago
  There's some studies suggesting nordic Snus (like all natural chew w/o chemicals added) is fairly harmless. Anecdotally I've read people highly addicted to it, so very suspicious of any claim that nicotine itself isn't addictive and just smoking is.
  - goodluckchuck 3y ago
    That computes with this article which discusses the addictiveness of naturally occurring MAOIs found in organic tobacco.
  - Findecanor 3y ago
    Snus is quite common in my country, Sweden. Many users are former smokers who "quit" by using snus instead as their source of nicotine. Users I know have said that they feel that it is highly addictive. Studies of snus users have indicated increased risks of cancer in the mouth, throat and gastrointestinal system but have not been conclusive as to how. There's also a newer type of snus not made from tobacco, with pure nicotine as a separate ingredient, but it has been studied much less. Nicotine is still widely considered harmful for the cardiovascular system though. I've had two surgeries this past year and been told to not even chew nicotine gum for a week before because of how nicotine in my system could lead to complications.
    - steeleyespan 3y ago
      It appears there are some conflicting studies, like with everything. My best interpretation is that nicotine itself probably isn't the-worst-thing-ever if it was restricted to occasional usage, like having a beer on the weekend. It's probably not a good idea to make a habit of though like with coffee. There's a theory floating around that it may help with long-Covid symptoms, but there's not a lot of evidence. This may be in part due to the general opposition towards tobacco as extremely unhealthy. I only heard of this because a neighbor says using nicotine gum restored her sense of smell. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9845100/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9845100/ Again, anecdotally I had a relative, very heavy smoker, who got Delta and had very mild symptoms. She's 80 and in pretty poor health. Others younger in the same household had it much worse. https://aacijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13223-023-00797-0 https://aacijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s1322...
carlmr 3y ago
Isn't caffeine a vasoconstrictor as well? Wouldn't that make coffee a silent killer?
- goda90 3y ago
  Maybe it is? It's really hard to know what things will cause damage over decades.
- trident5000 3y ago
  Theres a lot of people who are dumping caffeine for all sorts of reasons. Caffeine does indeed constrict blood vessels and thats probably not great tbh. But people (including myself) love their cup of coffee.
- rtpg 3y ago
  Like… people do get addicted to caffeine right? I know people who drink a very large amount of coffee, who “can’t function” without it, and who generally seem to be in a pretty bad shape. The behavior of a certain segment of the population with regard to coffee looks a hell of a lot like the stereotypical addictions to drugs, including just ending up in bad shape. Totally anecdotal of course but “caffeine in large amounts bad” aligns with a lot of human behavior.
  - dist-epoch 3y ago
    Caffeine physiological addiction is very light. Withdrawal symptoms last about 2 days and are mild. > including just ending up in bad shape Not sure what you mean by that, I'm not aware of people ending up on the streets because of caffeine.
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    - andygeorge 3y ago
      street price of coffee is a little lower than other drugs

goodluckchuck 3y ago

You mean smoking is terrible for you. As the cited studies indicate, nicotine itself (delivered by patched / gum) is fairly harmless. Not completely risk free, but nothing at all like smoking.

trident5000 3y ago
No, I mean nicotine as I clearly indicated in my comment. It's not harmless and its ridiculous to think a drug that constricts the vessels and blood flow in your body would be so.
- mijoharas 3y ago
  Like caffeine?
  - otabdeveloper4 3y ago
    Good thing I don't drink coffee.
  - trident5000 3y ago
    Is that a counterpoint? Pointing to something unrelated from the conversation. Maybe both arnt great for you?
    - hatsix 3y ago
      it's a great counterpoint, because they're is a lot of literature on the health effects of caffeine. > Maybe both aren't great for you? Maybe? You are the one making strong assertions about vasoconstrictors. Maybe you should take this opportunity to challenge your beliefs on this by digging into scientific literature. Also, "aren't great" is such a softening of your original opinion "just terrible". Why argue for your ignorance when there is actual scientific literature?
- insanitybit 3y ago
  > It's not harmless and its ridiculous to think a drug that constricts the vessels and blood flow in your body would be so. Why? Because it increases blood pressure? That's a problem if it's chronic and severe, afaik a milk vasoconstrictive effect isn't going to kill you.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  > its ridiculous to think a drug that constricts the vessels and blood flow in your body would be [harmless] Without knowing more about human physiology, this physiological description is a boogeyman. Someone could describe the physiological effects of eating lettuce while making the same claim about said effect and it would be obvious to a layperson as nonsense only because they know the topic. It’s not ridiculous to think this is possibly harmless in certain contexts.
steeleyespan 3y ago
There's some studies suggesting nordic Snus (like all natural chew w/o chemicals added) is fairly harmless. Anecdotally I've read people highly addicted to it, so very suspicious of any claim that nicotine itself isn't addictive and just smoking is.
- goodluckchuck 3y ago
  That computes with this article which discusses the addictiveness of naturally occurring MAOIs found in organic tobacco.
- Findecanor 3y ago
  Snus is quite common in my country, Sweden. Many users are former smokers who "quit" by using snus instead as their source of nicotine. Users I know have said that they feel that it is highly addictive. Studies of snus users have indicated increased risks of cancer in the mouth, throat and gastrointestinal system but have not been conclusive as to how. There's also a newer type of snus not made from tobacco, with pure nicotine as a separate ingredient, but it has been studied much less. Nicotine is still widely considered harmful for the cardiovascular system though. I've had two surgeries this past year and been told to not even chew nicotine gum for a week before because of how nicotine in my system could lead to complications.
  - steeleyespan 3y ago
    It appears there are some conflicting studies, like with everything. My best interpretation is that nicotine itself probably isn't the-worst-thing-ever if it was restricted to occasional usage, like having a beer on the weekend. It's probably not a good idea to make a habit of though like with coffee. There's a theory floating around that it may help with long-Covid symptoms, but there's not a lot of evidence. This may be in part due to the general opposition towards tobacco as extremely unhealthy. I only heard of this because a neighbor says using nicotine gum restored her sense of smell. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9845100/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9845100/ Again, anecdotally I had a relative, very heavy smoker, who got Delta and had very mild symptoms. She's 80 and in pretty poor health. Others younger in the same household had it much worse. https://aacijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13223-023-00797-0 https://aacijournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s1322...

carlmr 3y ago

Isn't caffeine a vasoconstrictor as well? Wouldn't that make coffee a silent killer?

goda90 3y ago
Maybe it is? It's really hard to know what things will cause damage over decades.
trident5000 3y ago
Theres a lot of people who are dumping caffeine for all sorts of reasons. Caffeine does indeed constrict blood vessels and thats probably not great tbh. But people (including myself) love their cup of coffee.
rtpg 3y ago
Like… people do get addicted to caffeine right? I know people who drink a very large amount of coffee, who “can’t function” without it, and who generally seem to be in a pretty bad shape. The behavior of a certain segment of the population with regard to coffee looks a hell of a lot like the stereotypical addictions to drugs, including just ending up in bad shape. Totally anecdotal of course but “caffeine in large amounts bad” aligns with a lot of human behavior.
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  Caffeine physiological addiction is very light. Withdrawal symptoms last about 2 days and are mild. > including just ending up in bad shape Not sure what you mean by that, I'm not aware of people ending up on the streets because of caffeine.
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  - andygeorge 3y ago
    street price of coffee is a little lower than other drugs