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Excellent spacing: no useless wide margins. Stylish icons that can blend in with various themes, which are clear and easily distinguishable. Font: most distro's

by brnt 3y ago

Excellent spacing: no useless wide margins. Stylish icons that can blend in with various themes, which are clear and easily distinguishable. Font: most distro's actually default to Noto, not KDEs own. But you know what: this you can change, KDE didn't remove any and all options for customisation after all. You can pry Plasma out my cold, dead hands. Gnome, Macos, and Windows: now that's amateur hour.

seba_dos1 3y ago
To be honest, there are many places in the "refreshed" Breeze look'n'feel and the Kirigami suite of apps in general that could really use some margins. It doesn't need a lot of padding, just a pixel here and a pixel there - not to make it less dense, but to make it look cleaner and consistent. To my eye, screenshots from the blog post look worse in this regard than Plasma 5.
- nmstoker 3y ago
  It'll need finishing touches but they've got plenty of time for that before the February 2024 launch
tsss 3y ago
The margins and paddings are objectively terrible. It is not a matter of taste. There is no coherent design here, nothing aligns, there is no visual hierarchy and often it doesn't even show more information than GNOME despite looking so much worse.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  > often it doesn't even show more information than GNOME despite looking so much worse Yeah, even as a GTK developer I'm gonna throw a yellow flag here. I've got both Qt and GTK apps that I really love and daily-drive, but none of my GTK3, GTK4 or Libadwaita apps even remotely approach the information density of a Qt app. There's nothing wrong with that; simplicity is nice for a lot of software. But programs like Cutter, Okteta or even music apps like Eliza cannot be built with the GNOME HIG. I'd even argue that certain GNOME apps like Meld, GIMP and Glade/Cambalache suffer from relying on the GNOME HIG too much.
arein3 3y ago
Agree. Plasma is another league.
walteweiss 3y ago
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- wpm 3y ago
  It’s a desktop environment not a prom dress, I don’t really care about aesthetics.
  - walteweiss 3y ago
    If you came up with clothes to compare, it fits well this comparison. You can wear shitty clothes, look bad, but if you’re comfortable, then it’s ok for you. But you tell others you look great, and truly believe you look great. And want others to look like you. That’s the problem. Keep that to yourself if you aren’t about to learn at least some basics.
brabel 3y ago
I use KDE and MacOS on different laptops. Even though I like KDE , I find that compared to MacOS, KDE is the one that comes out a bit amateurish... the attention to detail in the MacOS UI is just amazing. Am I missing something?? How is KDE better (it really feels much more raw to me, but being on Linux I don't really expect much more)?
- MarcusE1W 3y ago
  I guess MacOS is more polished than KDE. Probably more polished than anything. A few billions here and there help. Given that KDE is an open source community project it’s quite good.
  - amlib 3y ago
    In terms of look & feel, sure Mac OS wins over all other options, but in terms of functionality... its very debatable.
- GuestHNUser 3y ago
  I think it comes down to preference. I definitely don't think KDE is amateur, but it certainly lacks the fine polish Apple has the money to pay for. That said, I find MacOS frustrating at times because basic things can feel like a pain. Switching between several windows of the same application isn't a simple Alt-Tab; the green button enters full screen mode (KDE/Windows F11 Full Screen is equivalent) instead of leaving just the menu bars and application bar on screen; tiling windows isn't as simple as ramming the application against the border you want to expand to. These are simple things I do often in other OS's that have tedious menu workflows in MacOS. I still like a lot of MacOS though.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Contexts.app to fix alt-tab
    - GuestHNUser 3y ago
      Thanks for this! Shame it isn't built in functionality.

by brnt 3y ago

seba_dos1 3y ago

To be honest, there are many places in the "refreshed" Breeze look'n'feel and the Kirigami suite of apps in general that could really use some margins. It doesn't need a lot of padding, just a pixel here and a pixel there - not to make it less dense, but to make it look cleaner and consistent. To my eye, screenshots from the blog post look worse in this regard than Plasma 5.

nmstoker 3y ago
It'll need finishing touches but they've got plenty of time for that before the February 2024 launch

tsss 3y ago

The margins and paddings are objectively terrible. It is not a matter of taste. There is no coherent design here, nothing aligns, there is no visual hierarchy and often it doesn't even show more information than GNOME despite looking so much worse.

smoldesu 3y ago
> often it doesn't even show more information than GNOME despite looking so much worse Yeah, even as a GTK developer I'm gonna throw a yellow flag here. I've got both Qt and GTK apps that I really love and daily-drive, but none of my GTK3, GTK4 or Libadwaita apps even remotely approach the information density of a Qt app. There's nothing wrong with that; simplicity is nice for a lot of software. But programs like Cutter, Okteta or even music apps like Eliza cannot be built with the GNOME HIG. I'd even argue that certain GNOME apps like Meld, GIMP and Glade/Cambalache suffer from relying on the GNOME HIG too much.

arein3 3y ago

Agree. Plasma is another league.

walteweiss 3y ago

[flagged]

wpm 3y ago
It’s a desktop environment not a prom dress, I don’t really care about aesthetics.
- walteweiss 3y ago
  If you came up with clothes to compare, it fits well this comparison. You can wear shitty clothes, look bad, but if you’re comfortable, then it’s ok for you. But you tell others you look great, and truly believe you look great. And want others to look like you. That’s the problem. Keep that to yourself if you aren’t about to learn at least some basics.

brabel 3y ago

I use KDE and MacOS on different laptops. Even though I like KDE , I find that compared to MacOS, KDE is the one that comes out a bit amateurish... the attention to detail in the MacOS UI is just amazing. Am I missing something?? How is KDE better (it really feels much more raw to me, but being on Linux I don't really expect much more)?

MarcusE1W 3y ago
I guess MacOS is more polished than KDE. Probably more polished than anything. A few billions here and there help. Given that KDE is an open source community project it’s quite good.
- amlib 3y ago
  In terms of look & feel, sure Mac OS wins over all other options, but in terms of functionality... its very debatable.
GuestHNUser 3y ago
I think it comes down to preference. I definitely don't think KDE is amateur, but it certainly lacks the fine polish Apple has the money to pay for. That said, I find MacOS frustrating at times because basic things can feel like a pain. Switching between several windows of the same application isn't a simple Alt-Tab; the green button enters full screen mode (KDE/Windows F11 Full Screen is equivalent) instead of leaving just the menu bars and application bar on screen; tiling windows isn't as simple as ramming the application against the border you want to expand to. These are simple things I do often in other OS's that have tedious menu workflows in MacOS. I still like a lot of MacOS though.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Contexts.app to fix alt-tab
  - GuestHNUser 3y ago
    Thanks for this! Shame it isn't built in functionality.