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Then, in the end you'd be blamed when the entire network died. They saw the car sliding towards the cliff and did something about it. Nothing that would cause

Then, in the end you'd be blamed when the entire network died. They saw the car sliding towards the cliff and did something about it. Nothing that would cause immense damage, just a minor annoyance. To skirt rules to get shit done, or watch everything burn and say I told you so. What's your choice?

crazygringo 3y ago
> Then, in the end you'd be blamed when the entire network died. I mean, you clearly have a paper trail showing you raised the issue at the highest levels twice. Not really sure how you could be blamed. > To skirt rules to get shit done, or watch everything burn and say I told you so. What's your choice? A couple of months of inconvenienced customers isn't exactly "watching everything burn", nor is anybody childishly saying "I told you so". You're just respecting the choices management made. It's 100% their responsibility, not yours. It's not your job to save the world, or save management from their mistakes. This isn't a situation of life or death, where you're in the military being told by your commanding officer to commit war crimes, where you have an ethical obligation to disobey. This is just going to inconvenience some internet banking customers. Your job is to raise the issue and let management deal with it and abide by their decision. Not to go around management.
- D-Coder 3y ago
  > > Then, in the end you'd be blamed when the entire network died. > > I mean, you clearly have a paper trail showing you raised the issue at the > highest levels twice. Not really sure how you could be blamed. This is sarcasm, right? The "highest levels" can't possibly be wrong, so either it's space aliens, witches, or you.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    Not at all -- I've seen it happen many times. Higher management tries to blame somebody, that person shows a paper trail, and higher management shuts up. They can't do anything, there's nothing they can put in the employee's HR file. People literally generate paper trails so that they can cover their ass. Many times after a particularly controversial meeting, I've immediately written out a summary of what was agreed upon and why, e-mailed it to everyone in attendance, and included the note to reply if anything is incorrect. Then when somebody's upset 4 months later and tries to blame you, you show them the e-mail and the lack of any disagreement. Obviously at the end of the day, legally a company can fire you for mostly any reason at any time. But generally speaking in corporations, there are processes in place around penalizing employees that require documentable facts. Of course I'm talking about places that have at least a couple hundred employees, with an HR department as such. (Smaller companies are much more at the whim of their founders, for good or bad.) But this bank certainly sounds large enough.

crazygringo 3y ago

> Then, in the end you'd be blamed when the entire network died. I mean, you clearly have a paper trail showing you raised the issue at the highest levels twice. Not really sure how you could be blamed. > To skirt rules to get shit done, or watch everything burn and say I told you so. What's your choice? A couple of months of inconvenienced customers isn't exactly "watching everything burn", nor is anybody childishly saying "I told you so". You're just respecting the choices management made. It's 100% their responsibility, not yours. It's not your job to save the world, or save management from their mistakes. This isn't a situation of life or death, where you're in the military being told by your commanding officer to commit war crimes, where you have an ethical obligation to disobey. This is just going to inconvenience some internet banking customers. Your job is to raise the issue and let management deal with it and abide by their decision. Not to go around management.

D-Coder 3y ago
> > Then, in the end you'd be blamed when the entire network died. > > I mean, you clearly have a paper trail showing you raised the issue at the > highest levels twice. Not really sure how you could be blamed. This is sarcasm, right? The "highest levels" can't possibly be wrong, so either it's space aliens, witches, or you.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  Not at all -- I've seen it happen many times. Higher management tries to blame somebody, that person shows a paper trail, and higher management shuts up. They can't do anything, there's nothing they can put in the employee's HR file. People literally generate paper trails so that they can cover their ass. Many times after a particularly controversial meeting, I've immediately written out a summary of what was agreed upon and why, e-mailed it to everyone in attendance, and included the note to reply if anything is incorrect. Then when somebody's upset 4 months later and tries to blame you, you show them the e-mail and the lack of any disagreement. Obviously at the end of the day, legally a company can fire you for mostly any reason at any time. But generally speaking in corporations, there are processes in place around penalizing employees that require documentable facts. Of course I'm talking about places that have at least a couple hundred employees, with an HR department as such. (Smaller companies are much more at the whim of their founders, for good or bad.) But this bank certainly sounds large enough.