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> I understand that KDE is a clusterfuck Nah it's the most capable desktop on Linux these days.

by xcv123 3y ago

konart 3y ago
One statement does not necessarily contradicts another.
- xcv123 3y ago
  KDE is not even remotely a clusterfuck. It is stable and has been a reliable desktop for my job for years. KDE and Gnome are the two most popular desktop environments on Linux and both are stable and usable.
  - tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
    How do you define "clusterfuck"?
    - xcv123 3y ago
      Look it up in the dictionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clusterfuck https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clusterfuck
moffkalast 3y ago
Gnome is surely more stable and reliable than KDE, but it's also as configurable as Planck's constant which makes it useless for power users imo.
- akho 3y ago
  Who are these “power users” of a DE?
  - nottheengineer 3y ago
    The ones that want a DE that works exactly how they like it. I quickly lose my focus from having to deal with even the most minor annoyances and KDE lets me change the little things very easily.
    - grey_earthling 3y ago
      KDE letting me change little things is exactly what causes me to quickly lose my focus :) It's good that there are 2 distinct, competitive desktop environments, that each suit different people well.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - HankB99 3y ago
    I guess I'm one. For some uses I want to be able to capture literally thousands of lines in a terminal session. I used to be able to do that with gnome-term. The "edit > select all" used to select the entire scrollback buffer. Now it just selects the visible portion. There is no option to change to the previous behavior. The value for providing that option is deemed not sufficient for the additional code complexity. Yes, I know there are other ways to do this (e.g. screen), but they require planning in advance and I don't always know when I want to do that. There have been other things that I used that have also been removed over the time that I used Gnome. I appreciate Gnome for the smooth experience they provide but have switched to KDE which better meets my needs and wants.
    - akho 3y ago
      That’s an application, not a DE, problem. There is no reason to use the defaults if you have particular needs, or spend much time in some environment. People don’t make much art in MS Paint, or code in Notepad, despite those being the default for most computer users. I think GNOME is very explicit in pushing you towards using independent applications that best fit your needs, while also providing simple to use, but not very feature-rich, defaults. I appreciate that approach. That was my point: I understand who power users of terminals are; I understand who power users of graphics software are; I understand who power users of CAD are. But a DE is a glorified application launcher; there really isn’t much there of which to be a power user.
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- dingi 3y ago
  Second part does not make any sense though because power users come in various forms and shapes. Not every power user need to customize the hell out of their desktop. Some prefer, just let me do my work and get out of my way kind of a desktop.
- flexagoon 3y ago
  Gnome is extremely configurable if you use extensions
  - spartanatreyu 3y ago
    Which tend to break on every release... unless you're using an older version of Gnome... which you never want to do because there's always one core feature you need that is built into a later version of gnome.
    - flexagoon 3y ago
      > Which tend to break on every release No, they don't. Most of the time updating an extension for a new gnome version is simply a matter of adding a number in the manifest file, but even when it isn't, they all get updated very quickly. Gnome 45 changed some core APIs so basically every extension had to be updated, and yet from ~10 extensions I use only 1 was not supported immediately upon GNOME 45 release, and even it got updated less than a week later.
serf 3y ago
>Nah it's the most capable desktop on Linux these days. I still haven't used anything more 'just works' and 'capable' than xfce, what has KDE added in the past decade or so since I used it that made it 'most capable'?

> I understand that KDE is a clusterfuck Nah it's the most capable desktop on Linux these days.

by xcv123 3y ago

> I understand that KDE is a clusterfuck Nah it's the most capable desktop on Linux these days.

konart 3y ago

One statement does not necessarily contradicts another.

xcv123 3y ago
KDE is not even remotely a clusterfuck. It is stable and has been a reliable desktop for my job for years. KDE and Gnome are the two most popular desktop environments on Linux and both are stable and usable.
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
  How do you define "clusterfuck"?
  - xcv123 3y ago
    Look it up in the dictionary https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clusterfuck https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clusterfuck

moffkalast 3y ago

Gnome is surely more stable and reliable than KDE, but it's also as configurable as Planck's constant which makes it useless for power users imo.

akho 3y ago
Who are these “power users” of a DE?
- nottheengineer 3y ago
  The ones that want a DE that works exactly how they like it. I quickly lose my focus from having to deal with even the most minor annoyances and KDE lets me change the little things very easily.
  - grey_earthling 3y ago
    KDE letting me change little things is exactly what causes me to quickly lose my focus :) It's good that there are 2 distinct, competitive desktop environments, that each suit different people well.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- HankB99 3y ago
  I guess I'm one. For some uses I want to be able to capture literally thousands of lines in a terminal session. I used to be able to do that with gnome-term. The "edit > select all" used to select the entire scrollback buffer. Now it just selects the visible portion. There is no option to change to the previous behavior. The value for providing that option is deemed not sufficient for the additional code complexity. Yes, I know there are other ways to do this (e.g. screen), but they require planning in advance and I don't always know when I want to do that. There have been other things that I used that have also been removed over the time that I used Gnome. I appreciate Gnome for the smooth experience they provide but have switched to KDE which better meets my needs and wants.
  - akho 3y ago
    That’s an application, not a DE, problem. There is no reason to use the defaults if you have particular needs, or spend much time in some environment. People don’t make much art in MS Paint, or code in Notepad, despite those being the default for most computer users. I think GNOME is very explicit in pushing you towards using independent applications that best fit your needs, while also providing simple to use, but not very feature-rich, defaults. I appreciate that approach. That was my point: I understand who power users of terminals are; I understand who power users of graphics software are; I understand who power users of CAD are. But a DE is a glorified application launcher; there really isn’t much there of which to be a power user.
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dingi 3y ago
Second part does not make any sense though because power users come in various forms and shapes. Not every power user need to customize the hell out of their desktop. Some prefer, just let me do my work and get out of my way kind of a desktop.
flexagoon 3y ago
Gnome is extremely configurable if you use extensions
- spartanatreyu 3y ago
  Which tend to break on every release... unless you're using an older version of Gnome... which you never want to do because there's always one core feature you need that is built into a later version of gnome.
  - flexagoon 3y ago
    > Which tend to break on every release No, they don't. Most of the time updating an extension for a new gnome version is simply a matter of adding a number in the manifest file, but even when it isn't, they all get updated very quickly. Gnome 45 changed some core APIs so basically every extension had to be updated, and yet from ~10 extensions I use only 1 was not supported immediately upon GNOME 45 release, and even it got updated less than a week later.

serf 3y ago

>Nah it's the most capable desktop on Linux these days. I still haven't used anything more 'just works' and 'capable' than xfce, what has KDE added in the past decade or so since I used it that made it 'most capable'?