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Just curious why aren't groceries near by, are local shops also not available. Is it because of price of real estate for shop Or high labour cost with low margi

Just curious why aren't groceries near by, are local shops also not available. Is it because of price of real estate for shop Or high labour cost with low margin

t-writescode 3y ago
Zoning laws do not allow mixed use zoning in suburbia, so it's literally just vast, endless lands of single family homes (not even apartments)
lukevp 3y ago
It’s just hyperbole. Suburbs have grocery stores too. I’ve lived in many small towns, cities, and suburbs on several states and was never more than 10 mins from a grocery store. I live on the outskirts of the suburbs in an unincorporated part of the county ( not even in a city) and I have multiple grocery stores within 10 minutes.
- opportune 3y ago
  It really depends on the structure of the suburb. If you are in a large planned suburb in some areas, it’s actually possible that driving out of your suburb takes 5-10m and you may need to get on the highway to get to the nearest supermarket. 40minutes is probably a rare one way scenario even with traffic but 25-30m is not out of the question. Haven’t you been in one of those kinds of suburbs? They were common in the Tier 2-3 city I grew up in in the South although I guess in the Northeast and West I haven’t seen it as often
- t-writescode 3y ago
  10 minutes, by car going 30-50 mph
- bronsonkhmai 3y ago
  That comment has so little to do with reality I have to assume their mom still does the grocery shopping.
MichaelRo 3y ago
I don't believe for a bit that in a relatively densely populated suburban area there are no independent shops, it violates the fundamental presumption of capitalism which is that there's always an entrepreneur looking to make money out of dry stone. My observation is that literally where there's 10 people, the 11'th one will try to sell them something. Hamlets of 100 houses have 2 grocery stores, 3 bars and a slot machine parlor. I also live in a suburban area in Europe and there's shops everywhere. Noone "planned them", it's just the observation above. And yeah, house prices went through the roof also, probably went up everywhere where there's no war or famine going on regularly. The thing I hate most about housing are traffic jams. The more they build and cram more "affordable housing", the worse the nightmare of getting anywhere becomes. Coze at some point you know, you'll need something that's just not within "walking distance" and then you're funked.
- opportune 3y ago
  It doesn’t matter whether you believe in it or not lol, it simply is that way. I can send you a Google maps link to somewhere in the US that is a food desert simply by virtue of being a large suburb with residential zoning. My guess is your conception of a suburban area (relatively densely populated?) is a bit different from ours in the US. Also for some reason you seem to think that because your area doesn’t have zoning or enforce it, other places don’t.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  You really should have visited American suburbia before posting that. American zoning is too strict and, due to a sprawl of single-family homes, population numbers too low to permit shops in many suburbs. Once has to leave the maze of residential roads and get onto a main thoroughfare before one will find a convenience store or, often more likely, a petrol station with a shop. And that is too long a distance to reasonably walk even for avid walkers. And if you write "independent shops", that is no longer true of even many European countries. While people do have a nearby shop, it might be typically from a chain (R-Kioski in Finland is essentially a monopoly, Żabka in Poland is omnipresent). The situation of, say, Spain, with its Chinese and Pakistani-owned independent shops, or Romania with its local family-owned shops does not extend over the whole EU.
ulfw 3y ago
Because of low density. If a three person family lives on a 1000sqm plot of land rather than say 300 or 3000 in a skyscraper on the same plot, you inevitably have a harder time providing essential services. Hence the need to drive, built large parking lots, etc.

Just curious why aren't groceries near by, are local shops also not available. Is it because of price of real estate for shop Or high labour cost with low margin

t-writescode 3y ago

Zoning laws do not allow mixed use zoning in suburbia, so it's literally just vast, endless lands of single family homes (not even apartments)

lukevp 3y ago

It’s just hyperbole. Suburbs have grocery stores too. I’ve lived in many small towns, cities, and suburbs on several states and was never more than 10 mins from a grocery store. I live on the outskirts of the suburbs in an unincorporated part of the county ( not even in a city) and I have multiple grocery stores within 10 minutes.

opportune 3y ago
It really depends on the structure of the suburb. If you are in a large planned suburb in some areas, it’s actually possible that driving out of your suburb takes 5-10m and you may need to get on the highway to get to the nearest supermarket. 40minutes is probably a rare one way scenario even with traffic but 25-30m is not out of the question. Haven’t you been in one of those kinds of suburbs? They were common in the Tier 2-3 city I grew up in in the South although I guess in the Northeast and West I haven’t seen it as often
t-writescode 3y ago
10 minutes, by car going 30-50 mph
bronsonkhmai 3y ago
That comment has so little to do with reality I have to assume their mom still does the grocery shopping.

MichaelRo 3y ago

I don't believe for a bit that in a relatively densely populated suburban area there are no independent shops, it violates the fundamental presumption of capitalism which is that there's always an entrepreneur looking to make money out of dry stone. My observation is that literally where there's 10 people, the 11'th one will try to sell them something. Hamlets of 100 houses have 2 grocery stores, 3 bars and a slot machine parlor. I also live in a suburban area in Europe and there's shops everywhere. Noone "planned them", it's just the observation above. And yeah, house prices went through the roof also, probably went up everywhere where there's no war or famine going on regularly. The thing I hate most about housing are traffic jams. The more they build and cram more "affordable housing", the worse the nightmare of getting anywhere becomes. Coze at some point you know, you'll need something that's just not within "walking distance" and then you're funked.

opportune 3y ago
It doesn’t matter whether you believe in it or not lol, it simply is that way. I can send you a Google maps link to somewhere in the US that is a food desert simply by virtue of being a large suburb with residential zoning. My guess is your conception of a suburban area (relatively densely populated?) is a bit different from ours in the US. Also for some reason you seem to think that because your area doesn’t have zoning or enforce it, other places don’t.
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
You really should have visited American suburbia before posting that. American zoning is too strict and, due to a sprawl of single-family homes, population numbers too low to permit shops in many suburbs. Once has to leave the maze of residential roads and get onto a main thoroughfare before one will find a convenience store or, often more likely, a petrol station with a shop. And that is too long a distance to reasonably walk even for avid walkers. And if you write "independent shops", that is no longer true of even many European countries. While people do have a nearby shop, it might be typically from a chain (R-Kioski in Finland is essentially a monopoly, Żabka in Poland is omnipresent). The situation of, say, Spain, with its Chinese and Pakistani-owned independent shops, or Romania with its local family-owned shops does not extend over the whole EU.

ulfw 3y ago

Because of low density. If a three person family lives on a 1000sqm plot of land rather than say 300 or 3000 in a skyscraper on the same plot, you inevitably have a harder time providing essential services. Hence the need to drive, built large parking lots, etc.