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I'm assuming that this is getting upvoted for the interest in ontologies in general and not really Protege itself. Protege is a nice toy if you are making firs

I'm assuming that this is getting upvoted for the interest in ontologies in general and not really Protege itself. Protege is a nice toy if you are making first contact with ontologies (and OWL), but beyond that I don't think there is anyone out there that enjoys using it. It's been effectively an abandoned for 5+ years, and webprotege (which many hoped would be its more modern successor) is similarly as dead. And no that's not because it is "finished software", it is riddled with bugs. Most ontologists I know rather hand-edit their ontologies in plaintext Turtle than let Protoge near them and mangle them. In some ways it's quite an apt embodiment of the current state of ontology engineering and the semantic data space...

the-alchemist 3y ago
I thought I just wasn't using it correctly. This explains a lot, thank you.
w10-1 3y ago
Most ontologists I know rather hand-edit their ontologies Meaning: there are no good alternative ontology editors, I presume
- hobofan 3y ago
  Yup. In terms of open source ones, there isn't really any alternative. As proprietary products, the TopQuadrant suite of tools is sometimes used, and isn't as bug heavy, but it still leaves a lot to be desired. One of the issues that a lot of editors of intermediate ontology projects face, is that they have to overcome the limitations of the commonly used frameworks (like SKOS and OWL), and create new primitives for their domain. However to really leverage those constructs you'd have to have a good editor integration, otherwise you are left to express the same constructs out of atomic triples again and again. At that point it often becomes easier to just work in Turtle and copy-paste those constructs.
  - p_l 3y ago
    The biggest issue seems to be that top quadrant completely removed the ontology tools from public other than as part of expensive GRC software suite. But it was waaay better than protege back in 2014.

the-alchemist 3y ago

I thought I just wasn't using it correctly. This explains a lot, thank you.

w10-1 3y ago

Most ontologists I know rather hand-edit their ontologies Meaning: there are no good alternative ontology editors, I presume

hobofan 3y ago
Yup. In terms of open source ones, there isn't really any alternative. As proprietary products, the TopQuadrant suite of tools is sometimes used, and isn't as bug heavy, but it still leaves a lot to be desired. One of the issues that a lot of editors of intermediate ontology projects face, is that they have to overcome the limitations of the commonly used frameworks (like SKOS and OWL), and create new primitives for their domain. However to really leverage those constructs you'd have to have a good editor integration, otherwise you are left to express the same constructs out of atomic triples again and again. At that point it often becomes easier to just work in Turtle and copy-paste those constructs.
- p_l 3y ago
  The biggest issue seems to be that top quadrant completely removed the ontology tools from public other than as part of expensive GRC software suite. But it was waaay better than protege back in 2014.