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You are writing like we are talking about rocket scientists. PERM applies to both EB2 and EB3 (so in real world anyone making from as low as $50k+/year dependi
by dfadsadsf 3y ago
You are writing like we are talking about rocket scientists.
PERM applies to both EB2 and EB3 (so in real world anyone making from as low as $50k+/year depending on role qualifies) and most bodyshops apply for green card for all employees - it's just part of business cost. For EB2 PhD is not needed - MS from online paper mill is enough. For EB3, any degree works.
It's not tens of thousands in cost - it's below $10k all in. PERM Fees to USCIS are around $1200.
The whole system is abused to the end and need to be completely gutted and redone so high end engineer working for Google making $700k was differentiated from Wipro employee making $80k. Right now they are in the same queue. Prevailing wage is a joke as it does not include stock options and does not reflect real salary levels.
- tomohelix 3y agoHilariously enough, a real rocket scientist, e.g. a NASA scientist, has an average salary around 100K. SWE salary is heavily inflated and even the flawed process we have now is better than one where you only look at the absolute amount of compensation. Why, most scientist jobs requiring PhD pay less than 200K. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NASA-Scientist-Salaries-E7304_D_KO5,14.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NASA-Scientist-Salaries-E73... https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/senior-scientist-salary https://www.salary.com/research/salary/posting/senior-scient... I no longer know the current prices for EB2 total cost. But years back I know the cost was >10K+ per employee, accounting for multiple filings, expedited filings, lawyer fee, etc. I doubt it would be below 10K now. Even an NIW can cost 15K easily by going to a law firm and personally haggle the price with them. Can you tell me how do you know EB2 cost less than 10K? An online paper mill graduate would have a very hard time passing EB2 vetting. Where would they get the paper citations, the impact, the achievements required? Unless they have years of experience in which they made clear they are valuable enough to the field. That is why I said experienced masters. And you think USCIS don't look at what institution the applicant comes from?
- bubblethink 3y agoEB2 has separate sub categories. Regular EB2 does not require papers or citations. It just needs an advanced degree or equivalent in experience. The categories that benefit from papers, citations etc., are EB2-NIW and EB1A/B. Those don't require PERM as USCIS takes on the role of the adjudicator there. PERM is handled by Dept. of Labor.
- geodel 3y ago> An online paper mill graduate would have a very hard time passing EB2 vetting. Nope. Not at all. I am rather intimately familiar with lot of people who have gone through that vaunted EB2 vetting with their fake US or foreign degrees, fake job experiences at fake companies with fake addresses and so on. Few may get caught but most of them will get through the system with enough persistence.
- philwelch 3y agoAerospace engineers at SpaceX earn 133-212k according to Glassdoor: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/SpaceX-Aerospace-Engineer-Salaries-E40371_D_KO7,25.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/SpaceX-Aerospace-Engineer-S... NASA scientists don’t work on rockets; they design experiments for space missions and stuff like that.
- JAlexoid 3y agoWhy should someone making 700k be any different than an 80k employee? Nurses make way less than 700k and should probably be the absolute top of the list.
- dataflow 3y agoI think their unstated assumption is that higher pay = higher skill = harder to find.
- rahimnathwani 3y agoWhy do you get to pick which occupations are most worthy?
- JAlexoid 3y agoI don't, it's an example that compensation is by far the worst criteria. I personally think that there should be an open door - don't be a drag on society - policy. If you can get a job, pay your bills - welcome to the USA.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago> Why do you get to pick which occupations are most worthy? Citizens of Republics are given the inherent right to debate matters of public policy concern.
- rahimnathwani 3y agoThat right is inalienable, not given.
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoGood catch.
- ralph84 3y agoBecause if there was actually a shortage of $80k employees the salary would increase. There is no better way to determine where there’s a shortage than the salary.
- az226 3y agoWhat % of approved PERM applications do you think had a salary of $50k? Clown.
- dfadsadsf 3y ago5-10%? You would be surprised. I know person who got green card with ~$40k salary working as logistics manager in transport company.