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Yep. They installed remote controls for the whole plant 3 days ago, along with backup generators.

by pierat 3y ago

bobthepanda 3y ago
So if this happened a week ago, then this would've been worse? What fortuitous timing.
- pierat 3y ago
  The recent squall of earthquakes picked up October 27, along with magma entering underneath the chamber around 3 m^3/s and now up to 5. There also GNSS and laser interferometers that watch for displacement of land. Early warning and prep is key. And this isn't an 'emergency', yet. It's an 'Alert', to prepare people for the worst.
- Denvercoder9 3y ago
  They likely installed the remote controls because there were already signs something was going on a week ago. If today's events happened a week ago, the whole timetable would just have been shifted a week.
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    I guess, why wouldn’t you just have them there all the time instead of only installing them for emergencies?
toomuchtodo 3y ago
Interestingly, you can see the ~30-40MW dip in geothermal generation recently. Any webcams at the generation facility online and publicly available? https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/IS?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/IS?wind=false&solar=fal...
- techdragon 3y ago
  Preventative safety work? I can imagine there’s going to be less demand from offices and industry if a significant portion of the nearby population are making emergency plans and preparations, and even without a dip in demand from that there’s usually some oversupply with electricity generators to avoid ramp up time problems during peak demand, so possibly they decided to shut down unused capacity to reduce the risk of it being damaged? Hard to say without knowing more details…
  - probablypower 3y ago
    >there’s going to be less demand from offices and industry if a significant portion of the nearby population are making emergency plans and preparations Not the case in Iceland. Only 15% of the demand is non industrial, and people still use electricity regardless of what they're working on. Grindavik itself isn't large enough to be more than a rounding error. >even without a dip in demand from that there’s usually some oversupply with electricity generators to avoid ramp up time problems during peak demand, so possibly they decided to shut down unused capacity to reduce the risk of it being damaged No, geothermal plants generally aren't ramped, and they produce at maximum output unless there is maintenance. They may have reduced overall output to enable individual turbines to be turned off for brief periods while installing new remote control devices. That is speculation however as I'm not at work so I can't say for sure.
- probablypower 3y ago
  hah, cool to see this, I'm responsible for this data being available. As much as it would suck to lose a power plant (we are already on the edge of energy shortages), it is far worse to lose hot water supply to Keflavik. They'd have to quickly build up electric heating capacity, which will make energy shortages.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Thank you for making this data source publicly available. The effort is appreciated.
  - 3y ago
ytdytvhxgydvhh 3y ago
This being Hacker News and all I have to wonder - was this remote control system installed in a hurry, and is it thus potentially more vulnerable to remote attack than it might otherwise be? Hope not.
- arlort 3y ago
  It's a geotermal plant, what is an hacker going to do to damage it that is worse than what's already going on And even if they interrupt service it's not like they aren't expecting service interruptions anyway (given the whole imminent volcano eruption)
- probablypower 3y ago
  No, it is not remote in the 4g sense, but in that they can control the machines remotely via the national control room. that scada network is secure and air gapped.

Yep. They installed remote controls for the whole plant 3 days ago, along with backup generators.

by pierat 3y ago

Yep. They installed remote controls for the whole plant 3 days ago, along with backup generators.

bobthepanda 3y ago

So if this happened a week ago, then this would've been worse? What fortuitous timing.

pierat 3y ago
The recent squall of earthquakes picked up October 27, along with magma entering underneath the chamber around 3 m^3/s and now up to 5. There also GNSS and laser interferometers that watch for displacement of land. Early warning and prep is key. And this isn't an 'emergency', yet. It's an 'Alert', to prepare people for the worst.
Denvercoder9 3y ago
They likely installed the remote controls because there were already signs something was going on a week ago. If today's events happened a week ago, the whole timetable would just have been shifted a week.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  I guess, why wouldn’t you just have them there all the time instead of only installing them for emergencies?

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Interestingly, you can see the ~30-40MW dip in geothermal generation recently. Any webcams at the generation facility online and publicly available? https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/IS?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/IS?wind=false&solar=fal...

techdragon 3y ago
Preventative safety work? I can imagine there’s going to be less demand from offices and industry if a significant portion of the nearby population are making emergency plans and preparations, and even without a dip in demand from that there’s usually some oversupply with electricity generators to avoid ramp up time problems during peak demand, so possibly they decided to shut down unused capacity to reduce the risk of it being damaged? Hard to say without knowing more details…
- probablypower 3y ago
  >there’s going to be less demand from offices and industry if a significant portion of the nearby population are making emergency plans and preparations Not the case in Iceland. Only 15% of the demand is non industrial, and people still use electricity regardless of what they're working on. Grindavik itself isn't large enough to be more than a rounding error. >even without a dip in demand from that there’s usually some oversupply with electricity generators to avoid ramp up time problems during peak demand, so possibly they decided to shut down unused capacity to reduce the risk of it being damaged No, geothermal plants generally aren't ramped, and they produce at maximum output unless there is maintenance. They may have reduced overall output to enable individual turbines to be turned off for brief periods while installing new remote control devices. That is speculation however as I'm not at work so I can't say for sure.
probablypower 3y ago
hah, cool to see this, I'm responsible for this data being available. As much as it would suck to lose a power plant (we are already on the edge of energy shortages), it is far worse to lose hot water supply to Keflavik. They'd have to quickly build up electric heating capacity, which will make energy shortages.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Thank you for making this data source publicly available. The effort is appreciated.
- 3y ago

ytdytvhxgydvhh 3y ago

This being Hacker News and all I have to wonder - was this remote control system installed in a hurry, and is it thus potentially more vulnerable to remote attack than it might otherwise be? Hope not.

arlort 3y ago
It's a geotermal plant, what is an hacker going to do to damage it that is worse than what's already going on And even if they interrupt service it's not like they aren't expecting service interruptions anyway (given the whole imminent volcano eruption)
probablypower 3y ago
No, it is not remote in the 4g sense, but in that they can control the machines remotely via the national control room. that scada network is secure and air gapped.