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"You will obey your manager or you will be deported" is very powerful.
by supportengineer 3y ago
"You will obey your manager or you will be deported" is very powerful.
- rexpop 3y agoFrankly, it's too powerful. We need much stronger protections for workers if we're going to continue down this route. Deportation threats undermine labor's bargaining power, driving down wages and working conditions. How can we expect to operate a democracy when workers have this gun to their head?
- alphanullmeric 3y agoWhat gun? I see only the one you’re asking to be pointed at others.
- rexpop 3y agoDeportation orders in the United States are executed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), a division of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE agents are authorized to carry firearms such as handguns, rifles, and shotguns.
- alphanullmeric 3y agook. Say we didn't have ICE. How will you now justify holding others at gunpoint to violate a contract you voluntarily signed while having the part that benefits you still enforced? Or is immigration the only thing you were thinking of when you asked for more laws?
- rexpop 3y agoThis isn’t about more laws, but about fair enforcement of existing ones. Workers, regardless of their immigration status, should have the right to decent working conditions and fair wages. When any worker is exploited, it affects the labor market as a whole. The goal should be to create systems that uphold human rights and labor standards for everyone.
- alphanullmeric 3y agoThere you go. So to answer the question you avoided, yes you are the only one asking to literally threaten others at gunpoint to enforce laws that allow you to violate a contract you voluntarily signed. You do not believe that force is only justified in response to force, despite pretending to make that your position in your initial comment. Thanks for playing.
- JAlexoid 3y agoYeah.... Except that this is not true. There's not enough talent in US, so we have to seek elsewhere. American graduates have these starry eyes and want to work mostly in two types of companies FAANG or early stage startups... Who's going to go to work at pharma companies, banks, electric companies?
- tigen 3y agoSo what you're saying is banks don't want to pay well.
- jen20 3y agoThe market solution to this is for those companies to pay more until they attract people to work there.
- astrange 3y agoThere's plenty of reasons a job market wouldn't clear even if you raised the pay. You can't get blood from a stone, sort of thing. For instance, American citizens are not going to become farmworkers even if you paid them FAANG engineer wages. They just aren't. I think to attract people to certain careers, anytime after they're born is too late. You have to have started with their parents. Good chess players are good because they started at age 5, not because they went to school for it.
- landemva 3y ago> There's not enough talent in US The hiring pool could be larger, but HR and hiring managers don't want men over 50.
- kemayo 3y agoThat's a factor, but I think the H1-B lock-in is more important. Assuming no mistreatment at all is occurring, an employee who you can be fairly confident won't quit still has extra value to you. The H1-B requiring that the employee either goes back to their original country or lines up another company to take over the visa means that they're much more likely to stick around.
- nojvek 3y agoIt doesn’t need to be said. At big tech companies it is implicit. You see coworkers being let go and the difference between easily switching to another job because you are a citizen vs having to wrap everything in US and go back to home country.