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I sympathize with their struggles, and even if I disagreed with them, I admire that they acted on principle. The article seems like a bit of a fish out of water

I sympathize with their struggles, and even if I disagreed with them, I admire that they acted on principle. The article seems like a bit of a fish out of water story about people who had to get normal jobs instead of having the ostensible status of being members of institutions though. The one where they had to write a commercial résumé reminded me of that TV show where Paris Hilton didn't know how to shop for groceries. Academics aren't aristocrats and they aren't nobility, and adopting an unworldly affect is a bit much. Good to be profiled in Nature though, and the world does need more principled people like them.

cycomanic 3y ago
Why are you so negative? It actually makes you sound like you're arrogant and don't consider academic jobs "real jobs". The point about how to write a resume is simply that an academic resume emphasises very different things than a industry resume, because job requirements are different.
- motohagiography 3y ago
  How is it negative, the article was a puff piece that treated the subjects a bit too preciously, and they were talking about how they are getting along in...trade. Arrogance indeed. My comment vollyed back Nature's lob. That said, I don't actually believe the "real jobs" this comment appeals to are a thing. I would argue that anything that involves serving on a committee is more of an appointment than a job, as practically by definition the members of a committee are not responsible or accountable for anything except diffusing said responsibility and accountability. The whole real-job trope is mainly an artifact of the anxiety of inlaws, I suspect.
s1artibartfast 3y ago
They didn't come across as particularly principled to me. Only the first of five really mentioned some greater issue (DEI). The rest sounded like normal career questions everyone has, e.g. wanting more money, less bureaucracy, more technical challenge, more time with family, more security, ect.

cycomanic 3y ago

Why are you so negative? It actually makes you sound like you're arrogant and don't consider academic jobs "real jobs". The point about how to write a resume is simply that an academic resume emphasises very different things than a industry resume, because job requirements are different.

motohagiography 3y ago
How is it negative, the article was a puff piece that treated the subjects a bit too preciously, and they were talking about how they are getting along in...trade. Arrogance indeed. My comment vollyed back Nature's lob. That said, I don't actually believe the "real jobs" this comment appeals to are a thing. I would argue that anything that involves serving on a committee is more of an appointment than a job, as practically by definition the members of a committee are not responsible or accountable for anything except diffusing said responsibility and accountability. The whole real-job trope is mainly an artifact of the anxiety of inlaws, I suspect.

s1artibartfast 3y ago

They didn't come across as particularly principled to me. Only the first of five really mentioned some greater issue (DEI). The rest sounded like normal career questions everyone has, e.g. wanting more money, less bureaucracy, more technical challenge, more time with family, more security, ect.