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A few things can be true at once. 1. Majority of Russian population supports the fascist regime and the invasion — about 70% IMO. These Russians are usually le
by golergka 3y ago
A few things can be true at once.
1. Majority of Russian population supports the fascist regime and the invasion — about 70% IMO. These Russians are usually less educated, less wealthy, hold conservative values and have never been out of the country. They depend on the government for their livelihoods, by either working at state-owned companies or receiving money from the state in other forms.
2. There is a sizeable minority (30% IMO) of Russians who don't. During 2022, 30 thousand Russians have been imprisoned at anti-war protests, and up to a million left the country. These Russians are usually more educated, more middle-class, usually hold western socially progressive values and have been out of the country. They are usually employed in private business. These are exactly the people who have migrated out of Russia in 2022.
3. Sanctions against Russian government and military complex are morally good. They are effective at stopping the current war and deterring future invasions by Russia and other bad actors. They take power away from Putin and his fascist regime.
4. Sanctions against regular Russian citizens are morally bad. They stop Russians who flee and protest the war from moving to other countries and give more power to Putin and his fascist regime, and make it easier for it to wage war in Ukraine.
5. It is very hard to make effective sanctions that work like 3 but not like 4. But it's still worth trying.
Any statement about "Russia" or "Russians" as a whole as if it was a singular subject is false by definition.
- Nasreddin_Hodja 3y ago> Sanctions against regular Russian citizens are morally bad. They stop Russians who flee and protest the war from moving to other countries and give more power to Putin and his fascist regime, and make it easier for it to wage war in Ukraine. It's not only bad morally but also increases their support for the war.
- telotortium 3y agoSanctions have failed - the Ukraine counteroffensive this summer failed, and Ukraine's allies are running out of war materiel to give, especially given current threats in Israel and Taiwan, while Russia successfully scaled their manufacturing up. It's time to negotiate with Russia for peace before they decide to seize more of Ukraine's territory, and remove the sanctions in favor of a war indemnity against Russia to pay for the damage to Ukraine.
- pestatije 3y agoshhhh! theyre killing 1k russians a day...that can only be a good thing, regardless of sanctions working or not
- cheema33 3y ago> It's time to negotiate with Russia. You mean reward Russia for invading Ukraine and killing its people, by allowing it to steal Ukrainian land and making it official? Neville Chamberlain would be so proud of you. For me, the dead demand justice. And Russia cannot be forgiven for what it has done.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> the Ukraine counteroffensive this summer failed Its not in the past, the offensive is still ongoing, and it hasn't failed. > Ukraine's allies are running out of war materiel to give Ukraine's supporters are mostly scaling up production quite well, and sone of the most advanced weapons have only just hit the field. > while Russia successfully scaled their manufacturing up They’ve scaled up their budget in rubles, actual production seems less clear; they've certainly cut back committed exports to India and elsewhere. > It's time to negotiate with Russia for peace before they decide to seize more of Ukraine's territory, They can decide whatever they want, but since they are currently losing territory (as well as losing much effective use of the territory they still hold for the moment), those decisions don't seen to have any relation to reality.
- lawlessone 3y agoIf you looked at only the first years of WW2 you would conclude the allies would lose.
- wordpad25 3y agoSanctions alter free markets and are generally ineffective and only distort the markets as an efficient market hypothesis states the market will work around the sanctions. Russia has rerouted it's exports and replaced it's imports. Their budget is healthy and making record profits due to high energy prices caused in part by sanctions. I also disagree Russian civilians are somehow innocent. Their tax base supports the government. Russia is still a democracy and they elect their government so are liable for their actions.
- d0mine 3y agoYou do understand that you are arguing for more 9/11? Or you think collective responsibility is something that should applied to others only. Rules for thee and not for me.
- orbital-decay 3y agoGreat. While we're at it, where are the sanctions against Nvidia, Intel, Boeing, McDonalds? They all worked in Russia and paid taxes, contributing to the war. Are there any sanctions against most European countries? They were buying the gas, oil and other resources which constituted the bulk of government profit and taxes, while perfectly seeing (and ignoring) what's happening. UK turning a blind eye to the source of money of the oligarchs buying all that astronomically expensive property in London? What suddenly makes all of them more innocent than an average Ivan whose "taxes" were either a drop in the ocean in a resource export-based economy or who worked for a foreign company directly or indirectly? The color of a passport? >Russia is still a democracy and they elect their government I'll be honest, I have a hard time taking posters like this seriously.
- golergka 3y ago> Russia is still a democracy and they elect their government You are so drastically misinformed about this matter that the mere fact that you hold an opinion should serve as a signal that its likely wrong.