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> and yet, can't be bothered to protest You go to prison for making anti-war statements in Russia, you know? https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/11/08/prosecution-

by orphea 3y ago

> and yet, can't be bothered to protest You go to prison for making anti-war statements in Russia, you know? https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/11/08/prosecution-requests-eight-year-sentence-for-sasha-skochilenko-st-petersburg-artist-who-replaced-price-tags-with-information-about-war-in-ukraine https://meduza.io/en/news/2023/11/08/prosecution-requests-ei... Eight. Fucking. Years. For some anti-war price tags. The same sentence you get if you plant drugs as a group of corrupted cops. https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/06/07/ex-police-officers-convicted-in-the-golunov-case-challenge-verdict https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/06/07/ex-police-officers-conv...

justrealist 3y ago
Yes, that is my point. Russian liberals are only anemically willing to be anti-war when that stance cannot personally hurt them, and certainly not opposed enough that they are willing to leave Russia. It may shock you to know that in some countries[1], dissidents have been willing to take personal risk of jail time to make their voice heard. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela
- orphea 3y ago
  It may shock you to know that in some countries[1][2], dissidents have been willing to take personal risk of jail time to make their voice heard. Or being killed. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Yashin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Yashin [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov
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    - orbital-decay 3y ago
      I don't think the poster above paints anyone in any light, but of course everybody hears what they want to hear. >- Are they, as a majority people, engaging in inexcusable wars of conquest, with close to 0 professed empathy for what they are doing? Yes. That's nationalistic hogwash. You're forcefully drawing the group identity line by the nationality/citizenship. That's a perceived line which doesn't exist in reality.
      - justrealist 3y ago
        Maybe that's not the line you want to matter, but if you talk to the actual human beings, they are going to self-identify as "Russian" not "Citizens of the Earth".
        fragmede 3y ago
        They're because whoever's asking likely comes from a country on Earth. If the being asking actual human beings was clearly not of this Earth, I think a great many people would choose to identify as being of Earth, as opposed to a specific place on it, or somewhere else.
        orbital-decay 3y ago
        Alright? With the start of the war, I and my twin brother, actual human beings, ended up on the different sides of the border, with different passports. We both been to Bolotnaya, Maidan, and many other places together. Both of us risked our lives, torture, and jail. But somehow one of us is not like the other to you, just because one has a fork and another a two-headed chicken on a piece of plastic.
- ordu 3y ago
  [4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kara-Murza https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kara-Murza
EB-Barrington 3y ago
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by orphea 3y ago

justrealist 3y ago

Yes, that is my point. Russian liberals are only anemically willing to be anti-war when that stance cannot personally hurt them, and certainly not opposed enough that they are willing to leave Russia. It may shock you to know that in some countries[1], dissidents have been willing to take personal risk of jail time to make their voice heard. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela

orphea 3y ago
It may shock you to know that in some countries[1][2], dissidents have been willing to take personal risk of jail time to make their voice heard. Or being killed. [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Yashin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Yashin [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov
- justrealist 3y ago
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  - orbital-decay 3y ago
    I don't think the poster above paints anyone in any light, but of course everybody hears what they want to hear. >- Are they, as a majority people, engaging in inexcusable wars of conquest, with close to 0 professed empathy for what they are doing? Yes. That's nationalistic hogwash. You're forcefully drawing the group identity line by the nationality/citizenship. That's a perceived line which doesn't exist in reality.
    - justrealist 3y ago
      Maybe that's not the line you want to matter, but if you talk to the actual human beings, they are going to self-identify as "Russian" not "Citizens of the Earth".
      - fragmede 3y ago
        They're because whoever's asking likely comes from a country on Earth. If the being asking actual human beings was clearly not of this Earth, I think a great many people would choose to identify as being of Earth, as opposed to a specific place on it, or somewhere else.
      - orbital-decay 3y ago
        Alright? With the start of the war, I and my twin brother, actual human beings, ended up on the different sides of the border, with different passports. We both been to Bolotnaya, Maidan, and many other places together. Both of us risked our lives, torture, and jail. But somehow one of us is not like the other to you, just because one has a fork and another a two-headed chicken on a piece of plastic.
ordu 3y ago
[4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kara-Murza https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kara-Murza

EB-Barrington 3y ago

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