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Currently my roomba is behind a nat and still insists on contacting their main data centers. And if i turn off the internet to my nat the roomba will run but no

Currently my roomba is behind a nat and still insists on contacting their main data centers. And if i turn off the internet to my nat the roomba will run but none of the advanced cell phone related features of the roomba will work, even though my cell phone is connected to the same wifi network in the same nat as the roomba. So this is completely unrelated. IP addressing schemes will not change the business methods of large consumer device companies.

worewood 3y ago
> IP addressing schemes will not change the business methods of large consumer device companies. That's exactly the point; they market it as if it would make a plethora of new and innovative things happen but in reality they will allow none of it. So, it's pointless to rush adoption.
- hristov 3y ago
  Removing a cost and an artificial shortage may cause many innovative things to happen. History is full of examples when lower costs and higher availability of something have caused a burst of innovation. What I meant in the grandparent comment is that if a company makes it their business strategy to have all devices call home, they will do that regardless if they use ipv4 or ipv6. But if ipv6 is widely implemented and there is no cost to ip addresses, it is entirely possible that another company can create an ap that allows you to directly communicate to your devices without using a central server.
- throw0101c 3y ago
  > That's exactly the point; they market it as if it would make a plethora of new and innovative things happen but in reality they will allow none of it. How much innovation and applications have been stymied by artificial network-layer barriers: > First is actually a more subtle issue... the Skype peer-to-peer network architecture elected certain nodes to be "supernodes", to help maintain the index of peers as well as handle parts of the NAT/firewall traversal for other peers. * https://ip.topicbox.com/groups/ip/T9f6a724f4bcd6616-M0e99abae40a46d044d1f39da https://ip.topicbox.com/groups/ip/T9f6a724f4bcd6616-M0e99aba... * https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/skype-replaces-p2p-supernodes-with-linux-boxes-hosted-by-microsoft/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/skype... CPE gear has gotten better hole punching over time (PCP, UPnP), but one still has to futz around with STUN/ICE/TURN. We've invented entirely new protocols (QUIC) because of middleware boxes blocking things (SCTP, DCCP) and generally getting in the way.

worewood 3y ago

> IP addressing schemes will not change the business methods of large consumer device companies. That's exactly the point; they market it as if it would make a plethora of new and innovative things happen but in reality they will allow none of it. So, it's pointless to rush adoption.

hristov 3y ago
Removing a cost and an artificial shortage may cause many innovative things to happen. History is full of examples when lower costs and higher availability of something have caused a burst of innovation. What I meant in the grandparent comment is that if a company makes it their business strategy to have all devices call home, they will do that regardless if they use ipv4 or ipv6. But if ipv6 is widely implemented and there is no cost to ip addresses, it is entirely possible that another company can create an ap that allows you to directly communicate to your devices without using a central server.
throw0101c 3y ago
> That's exactly the point; they market it as if it would make a plethora of new and innovative things happen but in reality they will allow none of it. How much innovation and applications have been stymied by artificial network-layer barriers: > First is actually a more subtle issue... the Skype peer-to-peer network architecture elected certain nodes to be "supernodes", to help maintain the index of peers as well as handle parts of the NAT/firewall traversal for other peers. * https://ip.topicbox.com/groups/ip/T9f6a724f4bcd6616-M0e99abae40a46d044d1f39da https://ip.topicbox.com/groups/ip/T9f6a724f4bcd6616-M0e99aba... * https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/skype-replaces-p2p-supernodes-with-linux-boxes-hosted-by-microsoft/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/skype... CPE gear has gotten better hole punching over time (PCP, UPnP), but one still has to futz around with STUN/ICE/TURN. We've invented entirely new protocols (QUIC) because of middleware boxes blocking things (SCTP, DCCP) and generally getting in the way.