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New Outlook on Mac is terrible - it lacks basic critical functionality such as tabular view (1 line per message) with column sorting by: From, To, Date received

New Outlook on Mac is terrible - it lacks basic critical functionality such as tabular view (1 line per message) with column sorting by: From, To, Date received, Subject etc. Fortunately old Outlook is still available - I have to switch back after every update.

sonicanatidae 3y ago
Outlook is terrible, period. I've been running the O365 Outlook version at my company and they broke simple things. I want to search for an email, so I select the folder, then click search and start typing. In the new Outlook, the moment I press the first key for my search query, the focus moves off of the search bar, for no reason whatsoever, so every. single. fucking. goddamn. time. I want to search, I select the folder, click into the search box, type 1 character, move my hand off the keyboard, over to the mouse, to re-click into the goddamn search box, then continue typing. That's Microsoft "improving" a product. Man, I fucking hate these people.
- ubermonkey 3y ago
  I dislike Outlook as a client for sure, but I must grudgingly admit that Outlook + Exchange is the single best, most usable, most seamless group calendaring & meeting tool I've ever used (and I've used a LOT). For that reason, I end up keeping my corporate mail in TWO clients: True desktop Outlook in a Win VM, and also in my Mac's Mail.app. 99% of my mail I handle on the Mac side (for one thing, search is WAY WAY WAY BETTER). But scheduling? True Outlook every time. It's just better. I haven't seen or used the "new Outlook," but it sounds like another example of MSFT calling multiple products by the same name to muddy distinctions for marketing reasons (e.g., "SQL Sever" and "Azure SQL"). "New Outlook" definitely doesn't sound like something I could or would ever use.
  - jabroni_salad 3y ago
    "new outlook" is just the webmail, you can see it at outlook.office365.com if you want. It has a couple benefits. The search is better since it isn't limited to your local cache, and your scheduled emails don't require that you have outlook running on the desktop at go time. I try not to use it otherwise.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Search is the one thing that's been absolutely horrendous - I can be staring at an email, search for a phrase or similar from that email, and it can't find it. And good luck searching for calendar items.
      - ubermonkey 3y ago
        I find, and have always found, that search in Outlook is so bad it's just not worth doing. Search in the native Mac Mail client? Crazy good. Very reliable. Never let me down. Mail clients are kind of all terrible, because right now my favorite one is just the one that does the things that really OUGHT to be the bare minimum: * Reliably send and receive mail * Support IMAP and Exchange * Have the option for local storage of some or all of the mail corpus on any given account * Have fast, accurate, reliable search * Have a rules/filters function (though honestly this is usually something better done server-side) * Have a well-designed, coherent interface that makes rapid work possible * Be at least halfway attractive to look at
prepend 3y ago
I hate this new “mvp” philosophy where they redo an existing product and leave our features. “Let’s get it working and add in future releases” makes sense for new products but is so dumb when it’s reworking existing products to make the crappier. Microsoft does this all the time. They also do stuff like decide that Teams won’t have wikis any more. Because, like, nobody wants wikis in their collab suite.
- supportengineer 3y ago
  This is a result of promo-driven culture. But promotions are the carrot you need to dangle for many managers and engineers. That's not why I got into software. I got into software to build useful products that delight the user. Products that make them more powerful and capable. I feel very alone in this industry.
jabroni_salad 3y ago
There's a huge list of missing features here if anyone cares. https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/13lo7u6/list_of_new_features_and_missing_features_in_the https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/13lo7u6/list_of_n...
Loughla 3y ago
I turned on new outlook briefly when the banner popped up at home. Then I got rid of it entirely when the top unread email was an ad instead of actual emails. The fuck?
- artursapek 3y ago
  that’s actually unhinged of MSFT

sonicanatidae 3y ago

Outlook is terrible, period. I've been running the O365 Outlook version at my company and they broke simple things. I want to search for an email, so I select the folder, then click search and start typing. In the new Outlook, the moment I press the first key for my search query, the focus moves off of the search bar, for no reason whatsoever, so every. single. fucking. goddamn. time. I want to search, I select the folder, click into the search box, type 1 character, move my hand off the keyboard, over to the mouse, to re-click into the goddamn search box, then continue typing. That's Microsoft "improving" a product. Man, I fucking hate these people.

ubermonkey 3y ago
I dislike Outlook as a client for sure, but I must grudgingly admit that Outlook + Exchange is the single best, most usable, most seamless group calendaring & meeting tool I've ever used (and I've used a LOT). For that reason, I end up keeping my corporate mail in TWO clients: True desktop Outlook in a Win VM, and also in my Mac's Mail.app. 99% of my mail I handle on the Mac side (for one thing, search is WAY WAY WAY BETTER). But scheduling? True Outlook every time. It's just better. I haven't seen or used the "new Outlook," but it sounds like another example of MSFT calling multiple products by the same name to muddy distinctions for marketing reasons (e.g., "SQL Sever" and "Azure SQL"). "New Outlook" definitely doesn't sound like something I could or would ever use.
- jabroni_salad 3y ago
  "new outlook" is just the webmail, you can see it at outlook.office365.com if you want. It has a couple benefits. The search is better since it isn't limited to your local cache, and your scheduled emails don't require that you have outlook running on the desktop at go time. I try not to use it otherwise.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Search is the one thing that's been absolutely horrendous - I can be staring at an email, search for a phrase or similar from that email, and it can't find it. And good luck searching for calendar items.
    - ubermonkey 3y ago
      I find, and have always found, that search in Outlook is so bad it's just not worth doing. Search in the native Mac Mail client? Crazy good. Very reliable. Never let me down. Mail clients are kind of all terrible, because right now my favorite one is just the one that does the things that really OUGHT to be the bare minimum: * Reliably send and receive mail * Support IMAP and Exchange * Have the option for local storage of some or all of the mail corpus on any given account * Have fast, accurate, reliable search * Have a rules/filters function (though honestly this is usually something better done server-side) * Have a well-designed, coherent interface that makes rapid work possible * Be at least halfway attractive to look at

prepend 3y ago

I hate this new “mvp” philosophy where they redo an existing product and leave our features. “Let’s get it working and add in future releases” makes sense for new products but is so dumb when it’s reworking existing products to make the crappier. Microsoft does this all the time. They also do stuff like decide that Teams won’t have wikis any more. Because, like, nobody wants wikis in their collab suite.

supportengineer 3y ago
This is a result of promo-driven culture. But promotions are the carrot you need to dangle for many managers and engineers. That's not why I got into software. I got into software to build useful products that delight the user. Products that make them more powerful and capable. I feel very alone in this industry.

jabroni_salad 3y ago

There's a huge list of missing features here if anyone cares. https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/13lo7u6/list_of_new_features_and_missing_features_in_the https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/13lo7u6/list_of_n...

Loughla 3y ago

I turned on new outlook briefly when the banner popped up at home. Then I got rid of it entirely when the top unread email was an ad instead of actual emails. The fuck?

artursapek 3y ago
that’s actually unhinged of MSFT