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One is completely straightforward whereas the other is ambiguous. Only one interpretation is sensible without making a big assumption about the author's views.

Retric 3y ago
Your “straightforward interpretation” hinges of what he means by “produce some thing valuable for the community.” Did he mean valuable things like bread, or only extreme value like electrodynamics? Well he didn’t say “extreme value” and it’s easy to argue the character of productive members of society is above that of pickpockets so that fits. So IMO a straightforward interpretation would be calling the great masses of humanity dumb rather than extolling the virtues of bakers.
- auggierose 3y ago
  In the lines before he mentioned flying and electric waves, so I think he means that. Bread would fall under commodities. There is really only one way to read his message. Which is a good thing, given that it is intended to be transmitted across 5000 years.
  - Retric 3y ago
    He calls out the lack of commodities as a problem to be addressed, unlike flying and radio which are suggested to be solved problems. “everybody must live in fear of being eliminated from the economic cycle” not fear of failing to create the next wonder. Thus emphasizing the critical nature of workers. It’s easy to read as pro social safety net or event collectivist terms. But stating a problem alone doesn’t suggest a solution.
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  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    > There is really only one way to read his message. This thread is a clear indicator that ther are multiple ways to read it. One may seem more valid than others but it's not at all unambiguous. I'd love to know what the people in 5000 years, if there are any, project onto this. Maybe they'll refer back to this thread and fall into two major camps.
    - auggierose 3y ago
      No, what this thread shows is that however clear you express something, there will always be people refusing to understand it.
      - mistermann 3y ago
        Irony levels of this thread are approaching 9000.

Retric 3y ago

Your “straightforward interpretation” hinges of what he means by “produce some thing valuable for the community.” Did he mean valuable things like bread, or only extreme value like electrodynamics? Well he didn’t say “extreme value” and it’s easy to argue the character of productive members of society is above that of pickpockets so that fits. So IMO a straightforward interpretation would be calling the great masses of humanity dumb rather than extolling the virtues of bakers.

auggierose 3y ago
In the lines before he mentioned flying and electric waves, so I think he means that. Bread would fall under commodities. There is really only one way to read his message. Which is a good thing, given that it is intended to be transmitted across 5000 years.
- Retric 3y ago
  He calls out the lack of commodities as a problem to be addressed, unlike flying and radio which are suggested to be solved problems. “everybody must live in fear of being eliminated from the economic cycle” not fear of failing to create the next wonder. Thus emphasizing the critical nature of workers. It’s easy to read as pro social safety net or event collectivist terms. But stating a problem alone doesn’t suggest a solution.
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- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  > There is really only one way to read his message. This thread is a clear indicator that ther are multiple ways to read it. One may seem more valid than others but it's not at all unambiguous. I'd love to know what the people in 5000 years, if there are any, project onto this. Maybe they'll refer back to this thread and fall into two major camps.
  - auggierose 3y ago
    No, what this thread shows is that however clear you express something, there will always be people refusing to understand it.
    - mistermann 3y ago
      Irony levels of this thread are approaching 9000.