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> - it asks for a keyboard locale, which then relocated the @ symbol somewhere totally bizarre (why it would allow this instead of forcing the keyboard it is in

> - it asks for a keyboard locale, which then relocated the @ symbol somewhere totally bizarre (why it would allow this instead of forcing the keyboard it is installed with is beyond me, and I just chose UK vs USA, as I am used to this choice being more important for autocorrect and AUS spelling is more UK than US. No - apparently there are a bunch of keyboard layout differences that will then mean you need to google in an external device to work out why the @ symbol has moved, which means you can’t log in with your Microsoft account I'm sorry, but obviously the keyboard layout moves keys. How else would you expect someone to type using dvorak, have Z and Y keys swapped on German language keyboards or swap keys to perform the most common function for a language. ö and é for example are on the same key but swapped in which one you need Shift for between German and French layouts.

robbiep 3y ago
I’ve been a moderately competent user of computers for 33 years. At no point, ever, in the setup of a new device, has a changed setting at the start of a hardwired laptop keyboard then resulted in the inability to then input correctly. You may be absolutely correct, but from a user experience perspective, what the actual fuck? It wasnt like I was plugging in the dvorak version or was connecting my french layout keyboard by PS/2. It is literally the keyboard it came with. On a Mac you can later change the option, but the bloody thing already knows what keyboard it has and won’t let you make a user hostile mistake at the beginning of your setup journey. Imagine the confusion for the average person
- RealStickman_ 3y ago
  Why wouldn't it change the layout immediately? If the user changes the setting, I would imagine at least a sizeable portion of those users want to use their desired keyboard layout to enter their information and might be unable to do so using whatever layout is selected by default.
- JadeNB 3y ago
  > … the bloody thing already knows what keyboard it has and won’t let you make a user hostile mistake at the beginning of your setup journey. Do you mean, as the rest of your post suggests, something like "it will let you make a user hostile mistake"?

robbiep 3y ago

I’ve been a moderately competent user of computers for 33 years. At no point, ever, in the setup of a new device, has a changed setting at the start of a hardwired laptop keyboard then resulted in the inability to then input correctly. You may be absolutely correct, but from a user experience perspective, what the actual fuck? It wasnt like I was plugging in the dvorak version or was connecting my french layout keyboard by PS/2. It is literally the keyboard it came with. On a Mac you can later change the option, but the bloody thing already knows what keyboard it has and won’t let you make a user hostile mistake at the beginning of your setup journey. Imagine the confusion for the average person

RealStickman_ 3y ago
Why wouldn't it change the layout immediately? If the user changes the setting, I would imagine at least a sizeable portion of those users want to use their desired keyboard layout to enter their information and might be unable to do so using whatever layout is selected by default.
JadeNB 3y ago
> … the bloody thing already knows what keyboard it has and won’t let you make a user hostile mistake at the beginning of your setup journey. Do you mean, as the rest of your post suggests, something like "it will let you make a user hostile mistake"?