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I don't get it. Why would you be pissed if those were the rules of the company you were contracting to? As a contractor you get paid more than the regular emplo

I don't get it. Why would you be pissed if those were the rules of the company you were contracting to? As a contractor you get paid more than the regular employees because you take on a greater risk (such as being fired at any moment without any explanation) and you do whatever you're told. If you don't like it you can always look for another client. My point being you can't have your cake and eat it too. Does it suck sometimes? Yes. But such is contractor life.

dukeyukey 3y ago
> Why would you be pissed if those were the rules of the company you were contracting to? Not being on the Google health or retirement plan is one thing. That's something you can do maths to, see if your alternative arrangements make sense. But witholding food is something that feels anti-human. Like it hits some primal parts of me. Eating a meal with people you work alongside is, depending on your interpretation, between a few hundred thousand and a few hundred million years old as a social act. Denying that is... something else.
PedroBatista 3y ago
Maybe they are people and not a robot, emotionally the context of a human is day-to-day not the lines of a contract. Also most of the time these people are not receiving more money, more like the same or less.
rightbyte 3y ago
Hospitality is a fundamental virtue. Skimping out on food is maybe the fundamental transgression of norms. The anger is subconscious and maybe primal. I was a "contractor" from an in practice body shop consult agency, not an actual contractor. I did every day office work for three years, being part of a normal work group going to every day meetings etc. But I don't think that matters. If you have an actual consultant in the office, being there once a month, you give him strawberries too, if you hand out strawberries. Also, the pay was somewhat lower. I was fresh out of uni so I didn't know better. Notably, only bosses two layers up thought it was a good idea to skimp on the strawberries etc. The bosses that had to deal with the ensuing bad mood ensured there was no such distinction between FTEs and "contractors".
- ExoticPearTree 3y ago
  I think we're talking about different things: contractors are paid more than regular employees doing the same thing. And they don't have any benefits the actual employees have. > Also, the pay was somewhat lower. I was fresh out of uni so I didn't know better. What you describe is outsourcing, not contracting.
  - Pet_Ant 3y ago
    The body shop and their client call it contracting. If one will follow the mantra of "words mean whatever people use them as" then this is contracting.
ponector 3y ago
I doubt there are true contractors. Giants would not bother to do contractor paperwork with individuals. Most common is when "contractors" are employees of other bodyshop company and are paid as their regular employees, just leased to the client. And if the we are talking about US - then their salary is much lower, simply because they cannot go anywhere else due to visa constraints.

dukeyukey 3y ago

> Why would you be pissed if those were the rules of the company you were contracting to? Not being on the Google health or retirement plan is one thing. That's something you can do maths to, see if your alternative arrangements make sense. But witholding food is something that feels anti-human. Like it hits some primal parts of me. Eating a meal with people you work alongside is, depending on your interpretation, between a few hundred thousand and a few hundred million years old as a social act. Denying that is... something else.

PedroBatista 3y ago

Maybe they are people and not a robot, emotionally the context of a human is day-to-day not the lines of a contract. Also most of the time these people are not receiving more money, more like the same or less.

rightbyte 3y ago

Hospitality is a fundamental virtue. Skimping out on food is maybe the fundamental transgression of norms. The anger is subconscious and maybe primal. I was a "contractor" from an in practice body shop consult agency, not an actual contractor. I did every day office work for three years, being part of a normal work group going to every day meetings etc. But I don't think that matters. If you have an actual consultant in the office, being there once a month, you give him strawberries too, if you hand out strawberries. Also, the pay was somewhat lower. I was fresh out of uni so I didn't know better. Notably, only bosses two layers up thought it was a good idea to skimp on the strawberries etc. The bosses that had to deal with the ensuing bad mood ensured there was no such distinction between FTEs and "contractors".

ExoticPearTree 3y ago
I think we're talking about different things: contractors are paid more than regular employees doing the same thing. And they don't have any benefits the actual employees have. > Also, the pay was somewhat lower. I was fresh out of uni so I didn't know better. What you describe is outsourcing, not contracting.
- Pet_Ant 3y ago
  The body shop and their client call it contracting. If one will follow the mantra of "words mean whatever people use them as" then this is contracting.

ponector 3y ago

I doubt there are true contractors. Giants would not bother to do contractor paperwork with individuals. Most common is when "contractors" are employees of other bodyshop company and are paid as their regular employees, just leased to the client. And if the we are talking about US - then their salary is much lower, simply because they cannot go anywhere else due to visa constraints.