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Given that this comparison is with quite expensive Macs vs lots of cheap Windows laptops I'm not sure your conclusion makes sense. For the "if people truly car

Given that this comparison is with quite expensive Macs vs lots of cheap Windows laptops I'm not sure your conclusion makes sense. For the "if people truly cared about the environment" they would probably get the same use out of a similar expensive PC. It's also a bit tone deaf to gatekeep environmentalism behind a $1000++ purchase, especially one that many can't afford.

aurareturn 3y ago
>For the "if people truly cared about the environment" they would probably get the same use out of a similar expensive PC. I really don't think so. I used to buy $800 - $900 Windows laptops. They often lasted 2 years before some hinge is broken or the display suddenly gets corrupted or it comes unbearably slow. I had a 2013 base Macbook Air that lasted until 2019. None of my Windows laptops ever lasted that long. The data seems to back up my anecdote experience. Do you get more RAM on a Windows laptop for the same price as a Mac? Yes, usually. But everything else around the Windows laptop is poor.
- snickerbockers 3y ago
  What on earth are you doing to your laptops that has you convinced that six years is an exceptionally long lifespan!?!? Anyways even though it's literally not a Windows laptop my system 76 lemur ultra i bought in May 2013 works fine after a decade of regular use with no hinge or screen problems. I came close to replacing it recently because i need a laptop with vulkan support but then it turned out that mesa actually has a vulkan implementation on ivy bridge (albeit with a warning that it's not entirely functional) so ill be holding onto it for at least a few more months, maybe longer.
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    >What on earth are you doing to your laptops that has you convinced that six years is an exceptionally long lifespan!?!? When I was a poor college student, I kept buying $500 Windows laptops and they kept breaking after 1-2 years.
    - goosedragons 3y ago
      Weren't they $800-900 a second ago?
      - aurareturn 3y ago
        >Weren't they $800-900 a second ago? These also break much faster than Macs in my experience.
      - dns_snek 3y ago
        Perhaps it was $900 new, then a $400 discount would explain the mysterious hinge damage. ;-) Next we'll find out that the system didn't have an SSD, had all manner of crapware installed and had its intake ducts filled with dust. Typical fanboy comparisons.
        seec 3y ago
        Yeah my opinion and experience as well. I also use Apple stuff but the level of dishonesty and lying coming out of typical Apple fans is absolutely unreal. One hilarious thing I have noticed about those type of peoples, is that they will defend their overpriced MacBook to the teeth but also go for the cheapest nastiest food possible and defend their stingy choices with a "it's the same thing" type of argument even though you can clearly taste a difference and it is clearly nutritionally worse. It makes you wonder... I try to avoid those peoples nowadays, always more trouble than they are worth...

aurareturn 3y ago

>For the "if people truly cared about the environment" they would probably get the same use out of a similar expensive PC. I really don't think so. I used to buy $800 - $900 Windows laptops. They often lasted 2 years before some hinge is broken or the display suddenly gets corrupted or it comes unbearably slow. I had a 2013 base Macbook Air that lasted until 2019. None of my Windows laptops ever lasted that long. The data seems to back up my anecdote experience. Do you get more RAM on a Windows laptop for the same price as a Mac? Yes, usually. But everything else around the Windows laptop is poor.

snickerbockers 3y ago
What on earth are you doing to your laptops that has you convinced that six years is an exceptionally long lifespan!?!? Anyways even though it's literally not a Windows laptop my system 76 lemur ultra i bought in May 2013 works fine after a decade of regular use with no hinge or screen problems. I came close to replacing it recently because i need a laptop with vulkan support but then it turned out that mesa actually has a vulkan implementation on ivy bridge (albeit with a warning that it's not entirely functional) so ill be holding onto it for at least a few more months, maybe longer.
- aurareturn 3y ago
  >What on earth are you doing to your laptops that has you convinced that six years is an exceptionally long lifespan!?!? When I was a poor college student, I kept buying $500 Windows laptops and they kept breaking after 1-2 years.
  - goosedragons 3y ago
    Weren't they $800-900 a second ago?
    - aurareturn 3y ago
      >Weren't they $800-900 a second ago? These also break much faster than Macs in my experience.
    - dns_snek 3y ago
      Perhaps it was $900 new, then a $400 discount would explain the mysterious hinge damage. ;-) Next we'll find out that the system didn't have an SSD, had all manner of crapware installed and had its intake ducts filled with dust. Typical fanboy comparisons.
      - seec 3y ago
        Yeah my opinion and experience as well. I also use Apple stuff but the level of dishonesty and lying coming out of typical Apple fans is absolutely unreal. One hilarious thing I have noticed about those type of peoples, is that they will defend their overpriced MacBook to the teeth but also go for the cheapest nastiest food possible and defend their stingy choices with a "it's the same thing" type of argument even though you can clearly taste a difference and it is clearly nutritionally worse. It makes you wonder... I try to avoid those peoples nowadays, always more trouble than they are worth...